permaculture

[Nancy Frank <oppty@mac.com>]

In response to your push carts and bicycle carts, I thought about  
other animals, like horses.  I know that horses eat far too much to  
make them realistic for most, and are not sustainable in the long  
run.  But llamas are MUCH more efficient with what they eat, can  
carry more per pound of body weight than a horse (a horse weighing  
1,000 pounds will carry about 210 pounds, llamas weighing 300 pounds  
will carry about 50-75 pounds).  They also keep brush down, as  
browsers rather than only grass grazers, provide delightful wool for  
spinning, knitting and weaving warm winter outerwear and sweaters,  
and are friendly as companions.  Just a thought.

I am learning a great deal from this list, and appreciate the  
information.

Nancy in Wisconsin

On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Robert Waldrop wrote:

> One final note. . . we had a potluck meal at
> lunch, and I always think that potlucks are great
> ideas for one day events.  That way one person
> isn't consumed with cooking/preparing for the
> group, all can participate, and all take
> responsibility for the food.  Table fellowship is
> important.
>
> Melbourne is a great city, I was there a while in
> 1972, staying with a Greek family in Clifton Hill.
> We heated our room with charcoal briquets that we
> bought from a guy who came by once a week with a
> push cart loaded with big sacks of briquets.  I'm
> sure things have changed a lot since then.
> Pushcarts will be useful though.  we didn't spend
> a lot of time on it, but we did talk briefly about
> using handcarts to move grain.  That would require
> more carts, because the turn-around time is
> longer, and we figured there would be enough
> bicycles in the area to do the more-efficient
> bicycle cart, especially the rail-bike version
> which, lacking fuel for trains, would be the most
> efficient.
>
> Being close to the ocean will be helpful for
> Melbourne, although that depends on what has
> happened with the fishing close to shore.  Also,
> IIRC, quite a bit of wheat is grown in Victoria,
> although I don't know how the drought is impacting
> that.  I don't know what we would do in Oklahoma
> without those large silos of grain and soybeans
> that ring the city and which even just before
> harvest will typically have enough product in them
> to feed the state the basic ration we devised.
>
> Bob Waldrop
> www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rafael Schouten" <talktoraf@hotmail.com>
> To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Pre-design for
> collapse
>
>
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > the collapse workshop is a great idea, inspired
> > me to organise one in
> > melbourne in the next few weeks. Any ideas for
> > form, content etc? what worked?
> > cheers
> >
> > Rafael Schouten
>
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