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Re: [permaculture] conservatism/food/references requested
- From: Scott Vlaun <scott@moosepondarts.com>
- To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [permaculture] conservatism/food/references requested
- Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:46:36 -0500
Toby,
To be fair, Cuba's transition wasn't exactly painless. Many suffered greatly during their transition.
They also happen to have a political system that was able to turn agricultural practices around on a dime.
Currently, Venezuelan Oil is their #1 import and much of it is used in agriculture. they also import a lot of food, nearly half a billion annually from the U.S alone.
I was there in '97 and saw some amazing things, but it's not as rosy as we'd like to think.
Scott Vlaun
Moose Pond Arts+Ecology
Design Solutions for a Sustainable Future
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Norway, Maine 04268
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On Feb 19, 2008, at 12:27 AM, Toby Hemenway wrote:
John & Maia O'Brien wrote:
I would like to see the references.All the data come from the US, but thanks for mentioning Cuba. Cuba's
Do any come from Cuba's "special period" experience?
ability to feed itself with little oil is the shining indicator that
food is not the problem some think it is. Cuba also had a very abrupt
transition, and the transition for much of the world will most likely be
more gradual, so perhaps less stressful than Cuba's. To my knowledge,
Cuba is the only nation to face a near-complete loss of oil, and they
did it successfully. So one could say, with only a little statistical
chicanery, that 100% of the nations that have faced a major oil
shortfall have made it through successfully. Take that, doomers!
references:
10% of US oil used for food system:
http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/FoodReview/DEC2002/frvol25i3a.pdf
Cornell foodshed research:
http://crops.confex.com/crops/viewHandout.cgi?uploadid=226
H.T. Odum emergy data for food vs. electricity, banking, etc:
Odum, Howard T. "A Prosperous Way Down"
Toby
http://patternliteracy.com
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