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Re: [permaculture] conservatism/food/references requested
- From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
- To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [permaculture] conservatism/food/references requested
- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:27:18 -0800
John & Maia O'Brien wrote:
I would like to see the references.All the data come from the US, but thanks for mentioning Cuba. Cuba's ability to feed itself with little oil is the shining indicator that food is not the problem some think it is. Cuba also had a very abrupt transition, and the transition for much of the world will most likely be more gradual, so perhaps less stressful than Cuba's. To my knowledge, Cuba is the only nation to face a near-complete loss of oil, and they did it successfully. So one could say, with only a little statistical chicanery, that 100% of the nations that have faced a major oil shortfall have made it through successfully. Take that, doomers!
Do any come from Cuba's "special period" experience?
references:
10% of US oil used for food system:
http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/FoodReview/DEC2002/frvol25i3a.pdf
Cornell foodshed research:
http://crops.confex.com/crops/viewHandout.cgi?uploadid=226
H.T. Odum emergy data for food vs. electricity, banking, etc:
Odum, Howard T. "A Prosperous Way Down"
Toby
http://patternliteracy.com
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John & Maia O'Brien, 02/18/2008
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Toby Hemenway, 02/19/2008
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Lawrence F. London, Jr., 02/18/2008
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