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[David Glober <david.glober@yahoo.com>]

Thanks for informative link. What I'm also trying to understand is - with 
stainless steel taking a lot of energy, etc. to create - and stainless steel 
bottles taking a lot to shape specifically, and the alloy of stainless steel 
also taking time to decompose - is it a totally clear choice between the two 
in all cases?

david glober

Kai Vido <kaivido@yahoo.com> wrote: I will vote for stainless steel. Polymers 
are Forever. Read the article
in Orion magazine:

http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/270/

Makes it hard to feel good about any level of plastic in our lives.

--Kai Vido 


--- David Glober  wrote:

> Esteemed List:
> 
> Some one suggested to me recently that my stainless steel Klean
> Kanteen bottle has more embedded energy in it, and therefore more
> impacts, than mounds of plastic bottles, and if I need to take water
> with me on long walks or hikes, I'm better off reusing plastic.
> 
> http://www.kleankanteen.com/
> 
> I'm new to the list, so sorry if this is a recent topic. Facts and
> info would be appreciated.
> 
> Also - does this make a Thermos bottle a bad idea for soup or tea?
> 
> Thanks - david glober, san francisco
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Well, you already have the stainless steel bottle, so obviously it's 
better to use it until it wears out than to ever use another plastic 
bottle again.

I haven't bought one yet, and wonder if it's worth it. I have used 
glass jars to carry tea to classes, though I still reuse random 
plastic bottles to carry cold water around.


Anyway, I see several distinct questions here.

1. If you're now buying plastic water bottles by the case, is it 
better for your health and the environment to stop using plastic?

2. If you occasionally pick up a plastic water bottle at a meeting or 
conference, is it ok to refill and reuse it?

3. If you don't want to drink tap water for whatever reason (ag 
region with nitrites, chloramine, etc.) and can't get water delivered 
in glass bottles for whatever reason, is it better to buy 
filtered/purified water in large plastic bottles, or are you better 
off drinking the tap water and not storing any water in plastic?

4. What has more embedded energy: a stainless steel water bottle that 
can be used for years (say, 2 years before it gets too dented or gets 
lost), or one (or more) plastic bottles a day (750-1000 over a couple 
years)?

5. What is more healthful in the long run for personal and plantetary 
health, a stainless steel water bottle that is more or less inert and 
can be refilled for years, or a plastic bottle that can be reused for 
a month but that leaches more polymers into the water the more it's 
used?


At 5:03 PM -0800 2/10/08, David Glober wrote:
>Thanks for informative link. What I'm also trying to understand is - 
>with stainless steel taking a lot of energy, etc. to create - and 
>stainless steel bottles taking a lot to shape specifically, and the 
>alloy of stainless steel also taking time to decompose - is it a 
>totally clear choice between the two in all cases?
>
>david glober
>
>Kai Vido <kaivido@yahoo.com> wrote: I will vote for stainless steel. 
>Polymers are Forever. Read the article
>in Orion magazine:
>
>http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/270/
>
>Makes it hard to feel good about any level of plastic in our lives.
>
>--Kai Vido
>
>
>--- David Glober  wrote:
>
>>  Esteemed List:
>>
>>  Some one suggested to me recently that my stainless steel Klean
>>  Kanteen bottle has more embedded energy in it, and therefore more
>>  impacts, than mounds of plastic bottles, and if I need to take water
>>  with me on long walks or hikes, I'm better off reusing plastic.
>>
>>  http://www.kleankanteen.com/
>>
>>  I'm new to the list, so sorry if this is a recent topic. Facts and
>>  info would be appreciated.
>>
>>  Also - does this make a Thermos bottle a bad idea for soup or tea?
>>
>>  Thanks - david glober, san francisco
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