permaculture

[lbsaltzman@aol.com]

The middle ground here is that we should all do what we can to conserve and 
even breed seeds locally, but as Marshall suggests we don't want to loose the 
thousands of years of seed?breeding by farmers all over the world. 
Organizations like SSE are irreplacable in the near future.? If somebody has 
the time and resources to duplicate elsewhere what they have acheived that 
would be a good thing, but an extremely hard thing.? So work to get the bad 
guys kicked out and restore the good guys.

And if you ever start a non-profit learn from this. Never, never let 
outsiders in you don't know and give them the chance to steal and subvert the 
organization.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marshall Chrostowski <mcfarm@silcom.com>
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:14 am
Subject: [permaculture] SSE again



 Jay, yes this is a flawed world and a world filled with well-meaning people 
rushing about doing good works. Most anyone can learn to save seed and 
acquire 
the means of growing, selecting, protecting, harvesting, processing and 
storing 
seed -- year after year after year after year. How many of us have the time, 
opportunity and perserverence to conserve unique, mostly annual plant 
materials 
over many years? The reality is closer to the situation where relatively few 
people grow a relatively small roster of seed types more or less readily 
available.

I now get that you really don't understand the SSE's role and functioning in 
conservation of heirloom and traditional varieties. The single organization 
works closely with similar organization in country and abroad as well as 
national governments. Yes, there is a large number of seed stored at Heritage 
Farm but samples of many of these have been donated from other holders of 
same 
seeds and many others have been distributed to listed members who grow them 
out 
and conserve them. Other varieties have been introduced into the commercial 
seed 
trade. This is a dynamic  and living conservation effort. Yes, it would be 
cheaper to deep freeze germplasm to available for future plant breeding. Is 
this 
to be the end result of 10,000 years of crop selection by farmers and 
horticulturists from many parts of the world?

Marshall

Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:20:20 -0600
From: Jay Woods <woodsjay@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Seed Savers Exchange
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <200801210520.20694.woodsjay@cox.net>
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So what do we do to become trained and equipped. In this flawed world, to 
depend on a single organization at a single spot is folly.

On Monday 21 January 2008 12:19:51 am Marshall Chrostowski wrote:

>> 3. SSE practices living conservation of genetic resources with a
>> rigorous program of rotating growouts. The USDA and other governmental
>> agencies have been expanding germplasm banks held at very low
>> temperatures. It was been SSE's experience that such germplasm storage
>> systems do not protect living matter for advertised durations.
>

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