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  • From: Dieter Brand <diebrand@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Similarities between the Jesus Movement at its origin and the Permaculture movement
  • Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:10:43 -0800 (PST)

Greg,

I guess that is one way of looking at it. It just struck me as odd that the
one thing nature uses to perpetuate itself was singled out as harmful
or a "questionable pleasure".

I think that, except for hardened puritans, most would agree that sex is
part of a normal and healthy life and that suppressing normal body
functions
may well lead to unmoral activities like fumbling little boys after
communion
class. I know, not all priests are like that, but I fear not a few have a
problem
with suppressed sexuality.

In the 60s and 70s we used to say "make love not war". Judging by your
comments things have changed a lot since.

Dieter Brand
Portugal

Gregory Konger <gjkonger@yahoo.com> wrote:
Abstaining from sex reduces unwanted pregnancies, abortions, and the amount
of energy and materials used and wasted in making birth control devices.
Condoms have to be picked out of our sewer systems and they have to be dumped
somewhere. Being celibate reduces the population explosion thus reducing our
impact on the environment.

Abstaining from food like meat reduces the amount of energy and waste
generated from growing crops to feed the animals that we eat. Most of food
that they eat comes out as poop thus polluting our watersheds. A lot of the
forests especially the rain forests are being cut down for this reason.

Abstaining from worldly possessions reduces the amount of clutter in your
home and the amount going to the land fill.

There are many spiritual and environmental books on the subject, so I don't
need to go into detail.

Greg Konger


Dieter Brand wrote:

Gregory Konger wrote:
... By abstaining from sex, food, and other questionable pleasures or work,
we reduce the amount of destruction done to the environment and to each
other.
Beats me, how is that going to help the environment?

Dieter Brand
Portugal


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