permaculture

["E. E. Mitchamore Jr" <emitch@att.net>]

I haven't been studying Permaculture very long, so such discussions raise a 
question to my mind: Will the probable breakdown of law, order, & civility 
allow any of us to peacefully practice what we believe?

E. E. "Mitch" Mitchamore
www.hillcountrynatives.biz
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J. Kolenovsky 
  To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:40 AM
  Subject: [permaculture] deer fencing - Mother Culture vs. Mother


  Sean, I wish I had your eloguence, foresight and knowledge. Then perhaps
  my paltry comment s would not construed as fearmongering. You made some
  good points. If there is anyone else out there who thinks I was fear
  mongering, my apologies as I was not and don't believe in that venue but
  rather believe in stark, naked truth of inadequate current man's place
  is on this earth. Oil consumption is, as you said, a turbocharger off
  the cliff and I believe, a precursor for Permaculture.. 

  You quoted this, " Peak oil is a waste of time when it is not
  accompanied with the fact that we belong to Earth, not the earth belongs
  to us.". To me, this seems where Permaculture will come into play,
  either before the crash or as a result of the crash.  It will not occur
  in 1 year. Frankly, I don't know nor think anyone else knows how long it
  will take  all this for this to come down the pike. In my simple mind, I
  feel that the return to Earth (so to speak for lack of intelligence)
  will be forced onto mankind as a result of greed, control, indifference,
  ignorance  and that by longevity will lead mankind to believe that
  Permaculture teaches rhizome and egalitarian ideals. This is where I get
  my idealistic {or does the word "utopian" count, (I need to look it up)}
  feelings of the  expected things (no cars, no planes, no  or few fossil
  powered equiptment, no fertilizer, Post-Carbon dieoff, etc) to come when
  the Post-Carbon Age is all over us like a cheap suit. 
  See, in my simple mind,  this is where I see Permaculture rise to fame.
  If there are sorry s.o.b.'s out there who won't change and adapt to
  egalitarian ideas, then let them suffer and die. I'm sure some
  percentage will survive.  As Jerry Jeff Walker, Waylon Jennings and
  Willy Nelson sang about Luckenbach, Texas, "Let's get back to the basics
  of love". Love for the earth we walk and live on.

  Yes, on the eternal timeline of Earth, 150 years of Big Oil is just
  hardly a blip on the screen. People in the future will look and say,
  "Those were the good old days" or "What did they do that for and what
  were they thinking?". I hope the latter is true. Glad I won't be around.

  J