permaculture

["Kevin Topek" <ktopek@houston.rr.com>]

Down here in Texas we have a little saying, "Without polemic, there is no
dialectic."
Polemic definition:
1. a : an aggressive attack on or refutation of the opinions or principles
of another b : the art or practice of disputation or controversy -- usually
used in plural but sing. or plural in constr.
2. : an aggressive controversialist
Daialectic definition:
5. usually plural but singular or plural in construction a : any systematic
reasoning, exposition, or argument that juxtaposes opposed or contradictory
ideas and usually seeks to resolve their conflict b : an intellectual
exchange of ideas

Mindy Vanderford

----- Original Message -----
From: "L.Santoyo Designs" <santoyo@earthflow.com>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: "Kevin Topek" <ktopek@houston.rr.com>; <pci@permaculture-inst.org>;
"Katherine Steele" <ksteele@steelemoon.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: [permaculture] troubled bridge Re: "a bridge over troubled waters"


> LL and all,
>
> Great job on your years of this list... ups and downs are predictable
patterns.
>
> Not sure that this has been a case of "troubled waters" as much as it
> is a troubled "bridge"...
>
> I don't really believe, anymore, that learning to "all get along" is
> an appropriate objective (or even natural).  Learning how to not-get
> along,  even strongly disagree with each other -is a much more
> appropriate task.  I want to believe that we can figure out how to
> disagree and still maintain a civil communication decorum...
> especially to do business.
>
> Designing and "building" communication protocols is among the most
> important task for getting us toward a sustainable future... learning
> how to disagree with each other and still maintain some gracefulness,
> learn from it and keep moving on!
>
> I don't think that we need to start a new list every time someone
> gets rubbed the wrong way.  I personally prefer a more direct
> approach to disagreement -as opposed to passive aggression -but
> that's me... I can take a punch -but I prefer not to -and although I
> used to very much enjoy it, these days I prefer that others don't
> start swinging at each other either...
>
> Can't we all just learn to "not" get along -and it still be okay?!?
>
>
> Larry Santoyo
>
>
> >Gang,
> >
> >I'm gonna have to second Scotty's opinion here. Lawrence has busted his
ass
> >putting this list and others together from scratch. He may be strident at
> >times, but aren't we all? Please forgive him his tresspasses and so to
will
> >yours be allowed on this list. Besides, without dialectic there is no
> >democracy.
> >
> >Kevin
> >
> >
> >>Claude William Genest wrote:
> >
> >>Flames happen ! Inevitable. If Buddhist monks can get into street
> >>brawls with each other ( like the ones I read about in Thailand)
> >>then why should we be so perfect ?
> >
> >I have to disagree with you Claude.  I am on several lists that don't
> >flame each other and still manage to disagree without rancor.  That
> >Monks brawl is not an excuse for us to brawl, quite the contrary.
> >
> >>  It's how we deal with it that counts and I think we're dealing with it
well.
> >
> >I think that for those who have cut their subscription to the list we
> >have obviously not dealt well.  While I enjoy debate and heated
> >discussion with those who have equally thick skin to mine I will miss
> >the contribution to the list by the more sensitive and sensible.  The PC
> >principal of diversity applies here - a corral full of bulls is
> >ultimately unsustainable whether for beef or "bull-shit".
> >
> >>Anyways - People who can't handle flames are a bunch of...... Just
> >>kidding ! Hee!
> >>
> >>Best Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>Claude William Genest
> >>
> >Thanks for your response,
> >Scott Pittman
> >
> >
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>
> --
> Larry Santoyo, Director
> EarthFlow Design Works
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