permaculture

["L.Santoyo Designs" <santoyo@earthflow.com>]

LL and all,

Great job on your years of this list... ups and downs are predictable 
patterns.

Not sure that this has been a case of "troubled waters" as much as it 
is a troubled "bridge"...

I don't really believe, anymore, that learning to "all get along" is 
an appropriate objective (or even natural).  Learning how to not-get 
along,  even strongly disagree with each other -is a much more 
appropriate task.  I want to believe that we can figure out how to 
disagree and still maintain a civil communication decorum... 
especially to do business.

Designing and "building" communication protocols is among the most 
important task for getting us toward a sustainable future... learning 
how to disagree with each other and still maintain some gracefulness, 
learn from it and keep moving on!

I don't think that we need to start a new list every time someone 
gets rubbed the wrong way.  I personally prefer a more direct 
approach to disagreement -as opposed to passive aggression -but 
that's me... I can take a punch -but I prefer not to -and although I 
used to very much enjoy it, these days I prefer that others don't 
start swinging at each other either...

Can't we all just learn to "not" get along -and it still be okay?!?


Larry Santoyo


> Gang,
>
> I'm gonna have to second Scotty's opinion here. Lawrence has busted his ass
> putting this list and others together from scratch. He may be strident at
> times, but aren't we all? Please forgive him his tresspasses and so to will
> yours be allowed on this list. Besides, without dialectic there is no
> democracy.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> > Claude William Genest wrote:
>
> > Flames happen ! Inevitable. If Buddhist monks can get into street 
> > brawls with each other ( like the ones I read about in Thailand) 
> > then why should we be so perfect ?
>
> I have to disagree with you Claude.  I am on several lists that don't
> flame each other and still manage to disagree without rancor.  That
> Monks brawl is not an excuse for us to brawl, quite the contrary.
>
> >  It's how we deal with it that counts and I think we're dealing with it well.
>
> I think that for those who have cut their subscription to the list we
> have obviously not dealt well.  While I enjoy debate and heated
> discussion with those who have equally thick skin to mine I will miss
> the contribution to the list by the more sensitive and sensible.  The PC
> principal of diversity applies here - a corral full of bulls is
> ultimately unsustainable whether for beef or "bull-shit".
>
> > Anyways - People who can't handle flames are a bunch of...... Just 
> > kidding ! Hee!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> > Claude William Genest
> Thanks for your response,
> Scott Pittman
>
>
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