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- From: mIEKAL aND <dtv@mwt.net>
- To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List
- Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:45:50 -0600
I would replace those two with Goumi (Eleagnus multiflora), which has an edible fruit good for jams, jellies, wines & wildlife & at least around here does not appear to be suckering. The other plant from Elaeagnceae which is very good, multiple uses, & produces a fruit with some of the highest amount of vitamin C in the northern hemisphere is Sea Buckthorn (Hippophae rhamnoides L.) which also is not suckering for me tho some folks in looser soil have claimed it does.
Autumn Olive is out of control in old pastures around here & prairie groups spend a lot of hours grubbing them out.
~mIEKAL
On Nov 15, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Michael Burns wrote:
Thanks also for the list. I posted it to the local "finger lakes permaculture"
listserv and got the following replies. I don't know enough about the plants
mentioned, or the issues surrounding invasives to comment. Maybe other could?
"I consider Russian and Autumn Olive to be invasive.
I believe one or both are on the invasive plants list of NYIPC.
They also are very strong allelopaths, which could
affect native plants. I hope you'll take it off your list.
Thanks, Barbara"
"Though I have much yet to learn about permaculture, I do know something about
plants, and in particular, non-native invasive plants...several of the species
on this list are non-native and some are considered invasive...if you are
concerned at all about the integrity of natural, native systems, please avoid
planting Elaeagnus angustifolia and E. umbellata, and crownvetch (Coronilla
varia)...
Interested in learning more about plant nativity and invasiveness? A good
place to start is http://plants.usda.gov/.
--Anna Stalter"
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[permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List,
J Hobbs, 11/11/2005
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Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List,
William Genest, 11/11/2005
- Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List, ed sarten, 11/11/2005
- Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List, David Silverstone, 11/12/2005
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Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List,
Michael Burns, 11/15/2005
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Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List,
mIEKAL aND, 11/15/2005
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Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List,
Lisa Rollens, 11/15/2005
- [permaculture] Invasives, William Genest, 11/15/2005
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Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List,
Lisa Rollens, 11/15/2005
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Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List,
Toby Hemenway, 11/15/2005
- Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List, Karen Kellogg, 11/15/2005
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[permaculture] debunking "invasion biology" Re: Cold Climate Plant List,
L.Santoyo Designs, 11/16/2005
- Re: [permaculture] debunking "invasion biology" Re: Cold Climate Plant List, Bill McDorman, 11/17/2005
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Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List,
mIEKAL aND, 11/15/2005
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List,
FranksFarm, 11/16/2005
- Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List, Lawrence F. London, Jr., 11/17/2005
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Re: [permaculture] Larry Santoyo's Plant List,
William Genest, 11/11/2005
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