permaculture

[Greg <FarmerGreg@UrbanFarm.org>]

Scott,

There are also the people that have been booted from the list for 
expressing their opinions (Michael being one of them, did you know he 
is no longer on this list), and the posts that never make it to the 
list (I have several).  I was banned from the list for years, for a 
super silly reason.

I might add that you could go back and check the threads that got 
Michael rejected from the list.  I think that you will find that it 
was not Michael's posts that got him ejected but the responses of 
others that did it.

Greg


> Hi Scott-
>
> It really depends on what lens you are using.  Some like yourself 
> may see creating a new list as a "divisive move" where as others 
> like myself might see it as creating new opportunities for more 
> people to communicate freely.
>
> No intention here to divide though that may be an unknown benefit. 
> In fact there is a big intention to create something new and 
> positive.  Anyone is free to choose whatever they want to do.  You 
> too.  The invitation remains open.
>
> I have not enjoyed this list as much in the last few months with 
> what I perceive as immature, rehashing of the same old conversations 
> and a lot of fighting.  This behavior is what seems the most 
> divisive to me.  I tend to promote and attempt to engage in 
> communications that are supportive and encouraging and in a spirit 
> of curiosity rather than criticism.  I ain't perfect on that one and 
> God knows I am learning as I grow.  I realize we are all human and 
> have strong opinions, old patterns of behavior and fits of anger and 
> other passions.  Nonetheless, I and others from this list with 
> similar desires wanted to create a fresh start and to get to discuss 
> permaculture in peace without fear of being booted off a list or 
> reprimanded for an unpopular or strong opinion.  That' s the hope at 
> least. Who knows what will happen.  All depends on who shows up and 
> how they choose to behave.  I see no reason why two or three or 
> twenty permaculture lists can't peacefully coexist.  I am on 5 Pc 
> lists already!  They each have a different flavor, focus and culture.
>
> That being said I find your unfounded criticism of our Pc course 
> interesting.  If you are wanting to examine the 15 day curriculum 
> that Benjamin, Erik and I have developed for the SLI classes. I'd be 
> glad to send it to you.  It does include the full 72 hours and a 
> design project.  We do focus heavily on the Farm and Garden Design 
> and not as much on economics and designing for catastrophe.   But 
> it's all there.  We chose to hold it this way because of the Solar 
> Living Institution's established 5 day format and their on site 
> mini-farm.  We thought it beneficial to have the course happen over 
> different seasons.
>
> I guess your post is an example of what's been bugging me about this list.
>
> As you may have guessed I am in the camp that thinks there are a 
> thousand ways to teach a permaculture course -- we all just need to 
> get creative and experiment and teach more.
>
> Not looking to change your mind but maybe secretly hoping it will 
> open a little bit :-)
>
> Peace
> ~Kat
>
> >
> I find this a very devisive move, in the sense that this listserve has
> served the PC community very well for years and is familiar to most of
> us involved in permaculture and to organize another in what seems a fit
> of pique is counter productive.
>
> I hope it isn't because of our last string on course curriculum, I
> couldn't help but notice that you are offering certification for
> attending three of your workshops and that those workshops seemed
> considerable light on the required curriculum.
>
> I will opt to stay with this list serve because it does allow
> contentiousness, when it is called for, and has consistently been
> flameless.   I would certainly want to have better reasons than you list
> above to change my mind.
>
> Regards,
> Scott Pittman
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