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["Johnny Gregory" <johnnyg8@bellsouth.net>]

Hi, Lawrence,

   Sounds like you're the movie set for "Holes" (if you saw the movie). I,
too want to drive over sometime from Greensboro when you have some time for
show and tell- or Yeoman's plowing. At this point I have a 52 hp tractor and
would help. (It may sell to a friend who asked the other day.)

Your friend in Greensboro,

Johnny Gregory
johnnyg8@bellsouth.net
(336) 275-0047

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>    1. Re: earthworks, methods and equipment (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>    2. Re: earthworks, methods and equipment (Claude William Genest)
>    3. Re: earthworks, methods and equipment (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>    4. Re: earthworks, methods and equipment (mIEKAL aND)
>    5. Re: earthworks, methods and equipment (Claude William Genest)
>    6. Re: earthworks, methods and equipment (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 13:08:49 -0700
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] earthworks, methods and equipment
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> darren@permaculture.biz, Darren J. Doherty wrote:
> Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote in reply:
>
> >> 1. Are you getting a 4" yeomans tool bar with two shanks?
>
> > Two shanks but I will make my own toolbar with factory 2 pt hitch or buy
> > the whole toolbar system from a US supplier
>
> >> 2. Why only two shanks rather than three?
>
> > Too much horsepower required for three shanks, especially since I will
be using all the
> > rearward sweeps and maybe the hillers too.
> > I have access to a 45 hp tractor with operator. I assume three shanks
> > would be too much for a 45hp machine.
>
> >> 3. Are you aware that there are two types of shanks - a 22" shank with
a
> >> 3 tonne breakout shear pin and a 26" with a 5-6 tonne breakout shear
> >> pin?
>
> > I had some idea that there were shanks available with several lengths. I
> > am guessing that the 22" would be whai I will make best use of.
> > I will be buying the Yeomans system from Market Farm Implements in
> > Pennsylvania.
>
> >> 4. With the water channelling are you talking pattern cultivation or
what?
>
> > Causing water to go into the earth and be directed to areas it would not
> > normally go to with the runoff pattern following the existing grades.
> > What is pattern cultivation? Sounds interesting.
>
> >> 5. Are you going to contract or hire out the plow?
>
> > No. I will use it on my mini farm only. I might let a friend use it on
> > some of his land so he can find out if he wants to invest in a Yeomans
too.
>
> >> 6. Are points supplied in the USA with tungsten tips or hardfacing?
>
> > I will have to check the literature on this. I think they are a new type
> > that are "consumable", i.e. you mount them in a way that the metal in
> > them  gets used up completely. Which type do you recommend?
>
>
> -- 
> L.F.London
> lfl@intrex.net
> http://market-farming.com
> http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 21:42:19 -0400
> From: Claude William Genest <genest@pivot.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] earthworks, methods and equipment
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Lawrence,
>
> I would like to watch you do all this...Any chance I can come out and
> see you in action ? Where are you BTW ?
>
> Claude
> On Sunday, May 16, 2004, at 02:31 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>
> > darren@permaculture.biz wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>  I trust that this greets you and all well.
> >> I have been using (contracting with) my keyline plow since 1994 I
> >> think
> >> so I can help with any queries you may have. I also have all of the
> >> yeomans attachments - plus a few I have welded up. I wrote an article
> >> in 1996 for an Australians farming magazine on the
> >> subject of using a keyline plow (or similar rigid tyne implements) for
> >> soil development using pattern cultivation. I think a copy of the text
> >> is on my website (www.permaculture.biz) from memory - if not I can
> >> send
> >> it to you. I have plenty of photos as well. Q's.
> >
> > Hello Darren, I thought the mention of Yeomans plow would bring you
> > out of the woodworks. :-)
> >
> >> 1. Are you getting a 4" yeomans tool bar with two shanks?
> >
> > Two shanks but I will make my own toolbar with factory 2 pt hitch or
> > buy the
> > whole toolbar system from a US supplier
> >
> >> 2. Why only two shanks rather than three?
> >
> > Too much horsepower required especially sijnce I will be using all the
> > rearward sweeps and maybe the hillers too.
> > I have access to a 45 hp tractor with operator. I assume three shanks
> > would be too much for a 45hp machine.
> >
> >> 3. Are you aware that there are two types of shanks - a 22" shank
> >> with a
> >> 3 tonne breakout shear pin and a 26" with a 5-6 tonne breakout shear
> >> pin?
> >
> > I had some idea that there were shanks available with several lengths.
> > I am guessing that the 22" would be whai I will make best use of.
> > I will be buying the Yeomans system from Market Farm Implements in
> > Pennsylvania.
> >
> >> 4. With the water channelling are you talking pattern cultivation or
> >> what?
> >
> > Causing water to go into the earth and be directed to areas it would
> > normally go to with the runoff pattern following the existing grades.
> > What is pattern cultivation? Sounds interesting.
> >
> >> 5. Are you going to contract or hire out the plow?
> >
> > No. I will use it on my mini farm only. I might let a friend use it on
> > some of his land so he can find out if he wants to invest in a Yeomans
> > too.
> >
> >> 6. Are points supplied in the USA with tungsten tips or hardfacing?
> >
> > I will have to check the literature on this. I think they are a new
> > type that are "consumable", i.e. you mount them in a way that the
> > metal in them  gets used up completely. Which type do you recommend?
> >>   Cheers,
> >>  Yours and Growing,
> >>  Darren J. Doherty
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > L.F.London
> > lfl@intrex.net
> > http://market-farming.com
> > http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech
> >
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 23:56:23 -0700
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] earthworks, methods and equipment
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Claude William Genest wrote:
> > Lawrence,
> >
> > I would like to watch you do all this...Any chance I can come out and
> > see you in action ? Where are you BTW ?
> >
> > Claude
>
> I'd be glad to have you visit any time, Claude, and watch the plowing,
> deep tilthing and water channeling as it happens. I will hire someone with
a tractor to do the work, with my Yeomans plows.
> I have other tractor-drawn implements that do remarkable things to the
soil that you will like to see too.
>
> I an in Chapel Hill, NC, pzone 27516, in the country 11 m. west of town.
>
> It will be a while before the Yeoman is ready. Makrketfarm Implements is
expecting delivery from Australiain a month or so.
> They need to be shipped to me and I need to mount them on the requisite 4"
toolbar with 3 point hitch (not difficult to build or acquire).
>
> I have done something else on my land that may interest you. I rented a
skid loader with 36" hole auger and went all over the downslope
> periphery of 3 acres of land and drilled hundreds of 3X4-5' holes.
Rainfall racing downhill goes into these holes to recharge the aquifer
> and irrigate, slowly, the surrounding area. I have apple trees below some
of the holes that are doing quite well.
>
> I have also applied hundreds of tons of rock powders all over my fields
and tilled it all in. Some raised vegetable beds with this mix of
> manure, native soil and rock powders are truly amazing. Some of the most
beautiful rich loamy garden soil I have ever seen. It holds water
> well and is really loose loam.
>
> I assume you are in Vermont. Sure wish we had a Green party candidate on
the ballot here in NC.
>
> LL
> -- 
> L.F.London
> lfl@intrex.net
> http://market-farming.com
> http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:23:06 -0500
> From: mIEKAL aND <dtv@mwt.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] earthworks, methods and equipment
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> How do you keep from tripping on the holes when you're walking around?
>
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2004, at 01:56 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>
> >
> > I have done something else on my land that may interest you. I rented
> > a skid loader with 36" hole auger and went all over the downslope
> > periphery of 3 acres of land and drilled hundreds of 3X4-5' holes.
> > Rainfall racing downhill goes into these holes to recharge the aquifer
> > and irrigate, slowly, the surrounding area. I have apple trees below
> > some of the holes that are doing quite well.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:03:34 -0400
> From: Claude William Genest <genest@pivot.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] earthworks, methods and equipment
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <9ADE1ECC-A802-11D8-83A8-000393A5F622@pivot.net>
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> Can't imagine a better one than you....
>
>
> On Monday, May 17, 2004, at 02:56 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
>
> >
> > I assume you are in Vermont. Sure wish we had a Green party candidate
> > on the ballot here in NC.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:46:13 -0700
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lfl@intrex.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] earthworks, methods and equipment
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>
> mIEKAL aND wrote:
> > How do you keep from tripping on the holes when you're walking around?
>
> The holes, with excavated dirt look like volcanoes. The soil on the rim is
very loose and fertile
> as nutrient-rich water from garden beds above washes into and around the
holes; I've built small dams
> to help make this happen. The area around the holes is covered in weeds,
mostly ryegrass. The three acres is
> either holes and weeds on the lower elevations, extensive raised garden
beds or fallow land (long wide strips)
> in other weeds, mostly curly dock with a little ryegrass - eventually the
dock will take over.
>
> The zone with holes is easy to see though the holes are not so I walk
carefully in the area during daylight and with
> a flashlight at night.
>
> Eventually I wil plant fruit trees and berry bushes in some of the holes.
>
> > On Monday, May 17, 2004, at 01:56 AM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I have done something else on my land that may interest you. I rented
> >> a skid loader with 36" hole auger and went all over the downslope
> >> periphery of 3 acres of land and drilled hundreds of 3X4-5' holes.
> >> Rainfall racing downhill goes into these holes to recharge the aquifer
> >> and irrigate, slowly, the surrounding area. I have apple trees below
> >> some of the holes that are doing quite well.
>
> -- 
> L.F.London
> lfl@intrex.net
> http://market-farming.com
> http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech
>
>
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