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  • From: "Kelly Finigan" <kfinigan@spots.ca>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] energy futures
  • Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 13:44:22 -0700

George:

more personally philosophy:

personally, I think low-energy use could also be better all round...I for
one would not advocate keeping our usage levels anywhere near where they
are, even IF we could...


, however, there are scenarios that could be horrible (e.g. intensive
military control of state, heavy reliance on nuclear power and its
byproducts, large-scale burning of remaining coal deposits blanketing
everything in soot, etc)...


I think the end results (really good or really bad) are going to hinge on
the decisions we (society) make in the next 10 to 20 years...

I also don't hold out hope for "magic technology bullets" to "save" us...we
have to start with our lifestyles.

ciao,
KElly




On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:24:16 +0200, georg parlow wrote
> >but we WILL have a landing in a low energy future.
>
> <warning: philosophy ahaed!>
>
> i sincerely do hope so.
> ever now and then someone vents hopes about a dirt cheap,
> perfectly environmentally safe and clean energy-source (with varying
> degrees of conspiracy-thoughts, like "this was developed by xy in
> 19xx, but he was killed" or "...but it was bought by general
> electrica/exxon/younameit and filed"). this idea sounds tempting and
> attractive from a purely materialistic point of view, from a deep
> ecology point of view it is scary. living an energy consuming life
> like the modern urbanite is injuring our integrity, our body-mind-
> spirit convergence on which our true happiness and wholistic
> fullfillment depends. the superficial cost of enregy-consumption
> (=the cost to the ego either as monetary cost [reducing my
> influence and consumerist coice] or as selfimage pain "i am an
> environmentally responsible person, i dont do this as bad as the
> others do") is currently for most people on earth the only namable
> reason for not glutting even worse in energy, removing their
> physical rhythms even further from the natural rhythm of the
> surroundings that gave birth to, feed and harbour the body,
> shooting their ainmal form criss cross the surface of the planet,
> dislocating their very minds even further from their bodies, and
> moving ever further away from "be here now", "marry your mind to
> your body" or "be a whole person". since we humans are no separate
> thing but a functional emanation of our bioregion, it makes perfect
> sense that the environment suffers visible damage, if we live in a
> way that damages our invisible integrity.
>
> keep growing!
> georg
>
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