permaculture

["Jerome Osentowski" <jerome@crmpi.org>]

Steve,  It would be great to see what you suggest play out in community 
gardens, and it will happen eventually.  I gave the community garden in
Carbondale, co. edable landschape material from my nursery to put around
the garden, and one gardener from the Aspen community garden traded currents
and
pea shurbs for a couple messages.  Phil who was an intern here last year
took over the management of a historical garden  in NYC, and is doing a lot
of pc design , He is using pc design to set up the SCA , and included a lot
of edable landscape.  Change is slow.  I have over 100 different per furit,
and veg here in my forest garden, and the folks in town are still planting
spinage.  The whole idea is over their head.    Jerome

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Central Rocky Mountain Permaculture Institute
PO Box 631
Basalt, CO 81621   U.S.A.

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>From: Steve Diver <steved@ncat.org>
>To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: Re: [permaculture] Community Pc Gardens?
>Date: Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 9:36 PM
>

> ".....it's not easy to determine from existing lists which
> Community Gardens include permaculture."
>
> A few perspectives:
>
> *When people have to leave their homes and drive
> to a community garden, it falls outside of any
> PC zone connected to where they live.
>
> *On the other hand, there might be such a thing
> as community-wide PC zones.
>
> *Home food production is part of permaculture,
> any way you slice it
>
> *Polyculture and biodiversity is inherent to
> any community garden
>
> *Just visited the Lake Oswego community garden
> near Portland. They used heavy duty sheet mulching,
> with cardboard + wood chip pathways to separate
> plots, and it was beautiful. Land usage stipulated
> organic methods, so compost and sheet mulch and
> so on were everywhere.  Each garden plot had its own
> character, using trellises, raised beds, with
> mixed cropping of veggies with flower and herbs
> and strawberries... and garden structures.
>
> *I suppose the community garden could add rainwater
> catchment, a spiral herb garden, etc.  But on the
> whole, it is adding permaculture to the Portland
> region as is, it seems to me.
>
> *Once you have a community garden, you can
> add workshops on compost, beneficial insect
> habitats, and so forth.  One of the workshops
> can be on permaculture principles, patterns,
> guilds, and related practical applications.
>
> *Altogether, it would seem hard to find
> community gardens designated as PC, per se.
>
> *A community of people, by definition, is
> made up of scattered ideas, learned behaviors,
> and expectations.
>
> *Yet, it would be interesting to have community
> buy-in to host a PC workshop and design charette,
> to explore garden-site wide implementation of
> PC principles and practices... with site analysis,
> water systems, soil fertility regeneration
> strategies, integration of small animals,
> vertical spaces,polyculture and guild schemes,
> and so on.
>
> Steve Diver
>
>
>
>
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