permaculture

["Elijah Smith" <elijah@hilobay.com>]

 

John,

 

 Yes, it's in lower Puna - right between Lava Tree and Green Lake (Kapoho Crater) - just north of Halekamahina crater, if you're familiar.  It's where the red cross is here. 

 

 It's to the north of PGV, and while I'm aware of it, I think I can tolerate it.  It's right on the East Rift, but life is short.   Our neighbors on 3 sides are papaya, the fourth side looks like a small homestead, with bananas and citrus.

 

 It does have soil, not sure how deep.  I'm assuming it was probably cane at one time... most of that area was.

 

 Part of what is attractive about this land to me is that it's already been trashed - and we could do it a service to clean it up.  I'm just trying to get an idea of how bad it could be...

 

 Does that give any more insight?

 

  Thanks!

    Elijah

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "John Schinnerer" <eco_living@yahoo.com>

To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:54 PM

Subject: Re: [permaculture] How long before ag land is safe?

> Aloha,
> 
> > We've been eyeing some land in Hawaii 
that's currently 15 acres of
> > solid, chemically grown, monocropped 
papaya.  It's cheap, has an 
> > incredible location, and is 
surrounded by tall windbreaks and some 
> > avocados, coconuts, 
etc.  It's mostly surrounded by more papaya 
> > fields.
> 
> Sounds kinda familar - if you'll tell me exactly where the piece is 
I
> may be able to provide some more info on why/why not it is/is not 
a
> good deal.  If it's in Puna, there are several things besides 
poison
> spray to consider - PGV, lava flow hazard zone, and what the 
ag
> 'neighbors' are doing, to name a few.
> 
> And is it for 
sale fee simple when the lease ends, or would you be
> taking the 
lease?  If so, what kine lease?
> 
> > Our question is - how 
long before it's
> > "safe" to move in and live on that land?  One 
guy told us 3 years,
> > which seems excessive - is it?  How about 
eating food off the land - 
> > wait longer for that?  
> 
> Depends on a lot of things - is it soil, or just ripped lava; if 
soil,
> how deep; was sugar cane ever grown there; what else has been 
grown
> there; what are they spraying now; what else has been sprayed 
there. 
> I'm assuming it's in Puna with consequent high 
rainfall...?
> 
> You might gather that info and check with Jim 
Albertini (tell him I
> sent you :-) at Malu 'Aina (malu-aina.org - near 
Kurtistown) for his
> thoughts on "how long".  He's an organic 
farmer, been in the area 20+
> years and is a social/political activist 
who may have some useful info
> for you.
> 
> A hui 
hou,
> John S.
> 
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