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  • From: "Beck, David A" <dabeck AT iupui.edu>
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  • Subject: Re: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 2
  • Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:56:59 -0500

I agree with Marcus. Forced reconciliation? What a joke. I don't want to be unsympathetic with anyone in the military, but we can't paint this invasion in a good light. Bush told us that Saddam had WMD. That was a lie. Moreover, he lied about the uranium that was supposedly coming from Niger (the so-called yellow cake documents). We aren't starting a reconciliation; we are moving the mess from Iraq to Afghanistan. Nothing good will come from our imperialism--for us or for those whom we've invaded.

For those who think that our invasion will bring about peace in the middle east, I have lot in the back of my house that contains pieces of gold. But you need to buy before we foreclose.

Bob wrote:
There is a time for meeting aggression with greater
aggression in order to reduce aggression. Every cop knows
this.

Well, where is the aggression? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11; so how do we justify our aggression, our invasion of Iraq? For that matter, our invasion of Afghanistan had no basis. We pulled away without Bin Laden. Hmmm, why is that? My guess, based on the writings I've read and the interviews I've heard, is that Bin Laden died years ago. He was having kidney failure in 2001!!

World peace? Based on our invasion of Iraq? Come on! We've created a nightmare, one in which the Iranians and the Russians are now involved.

I realize that little of the above has anything to do with Percy (and I'm not going to do the mental gymnastics to bend it that way); however, we can't justify our imperialism, by saying that we will force the Sunnis and the Shiites to get along. Ain't going to happen.

Hope I didn't offend, but it's nice to see some life on the list again. But the "forced reconciliation" phrase lit my fire.

-David


Quoting marcus AT loyno.edu:

Forced...Religious...Reconciliation?

I'm sorry. I lived in Beirut for six years.

You do not understand what you are saying.

Marcus Smith

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1. Re: Percy-L Digest, Vol 58, Issue 9 (Tommy
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(Eckert, Robert G SPC MIL USA FORSCOM)
3. Re: Percy-L Digest, Vol 58, Issue 9 (Wade Riddick)


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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:52:51 -0400
From: "Tommy Armstrong" <tfa AT brickengraver.com>
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"You do not seem to have much use for your fellow
Christians, to say nothing of Ku Kluxers, ACLUers,
Northerners, Southerners, fem-libbers, anti-fem-libbers,
homosexuals, anti-homosexuals, Republicans, Democrats,
hippies, anti-hippies, senior citizens."

That's true-though, taken as individuals, they turn out to
be more or less like oneself, i.e., sinners, and we get
along fine.

Even Ku Kluxers?

Sure"



Questions They Never Asked Me

Signposts In A Strange Land

Page 418









Sounds to me like Mr. Riddick has a bit of ideological
rigidity himself when he writes:



3. Bush has an ideological rigidity/born-again
certainty/willful

ignorance/autistic negligence that leads him to stumble
through life like

Don Quixote on meth.





The same could equally apply to Pelosi, Obama, Barney
Frank, Ted Kennedy, Common Cause, etc. as well as Bush,
Cheney, et al.

But then again much of that statement could apply to
everyone as we stumble along our journey. I have never met
an individual in my life that did not reflect to one
degree or another those "qualities".







Tommy Armstrong

BrickEngraver LLC



www.brickengraver.com



Jack Aubrey:

"Oh dear oh dear, I seem fated to move from one blunder to
another today. I shall hold my tongue or what remains of
it."

Stephen Maturin:

"Where would conversation be if we were not allowed to
exchange our views freely and abuse our neighbors now and
again."



Patrick O'Brian Forturne of War--Patrick O'Brian









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From: "Eckert, Robert G SPC MIL USA FORSCOM"
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It was a Thursday evening, not a Wednesday afternoon--but
my excuse still is boredom.

Percy was a philosopher, not a philosopholigist. He would
be debating this war.

The premise for the war was presumably false. CBRN WMD
have not been found. (Although absence of evidence is not
evidence of absence).

What may be occurring is a forced reconciliation between
Sunnis and Shiites. 1300 years of conflict within Islam
being dealt with.

There is a time for meeting aggression with greater
aggression in order to reduce aggression. Every cop knows
this.

War is controlled aggression. Messy, yes. But no army
conducts themselves better under such strenuous
circumstances as the US Army.

The US Army is in a unique position to force a world
peace. We are the most powerful, and also the most
multicultural army the world has ever seen. The only
ethnic group I have not seen represented is the aboriginal
Australians. And I bet there is at least one in our Army.

BTW, the most decorated soldier in my unit is a Muslim
from Ghana.

This war goes way beyond American Imperialism, it is
religious reconciliation stuff.

Bob





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From: marcus AT loyno.edu
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:49
Subject: Re: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 58, Issue 9
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> I think Bob has every right to raise the questions he
> does (though not sure they warrant posting on this list)
> , but I think using WP as a reference point or
> touchstone for verification of events and policies in
> the present world--such as the decision to invade
> Iraq--is asking for impossible. My experience with Percy
> is that he was predictable and unpredictable, always
> nuanced in ways that caught me by surprise. And the
> reason for this is that he remained alert and
> ingtellectually (and spiritually) active all the way to
> the end.
> I think Percy probably would not see history an
> allegorical figure. "Will history agree...." Obviously,
> yes and no for a very long time. Maybe forever. Does
> "history" agree on the Crusades? Are you going to submit
> this question to Southern Baptists? Moslem scholars?
>
> Other may have different opinions.
>
> Marcus Smith
> New Orleans
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> > of time or the beginning of something good?
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> > Are we wasting lives and money on foolishness, or are
> > we beginning the process of communication and
> > community formation between disparate cultures that
> > has since time immemorial begun with bloodshed?
> >
> > Can Islam, Judaism and Christianity find common ground
> > upon which we cooperate with each other, not kill each
> > other?
> >
> > I think Bush made the right decision. Mistakes, of
> > course.
> > Will history agree that the effort and lives and
> > injury and labor of our service members was worth it?
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