Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion of Walker Percy

[marcus AT loyno.edu]

Forced...Religious...Reconciliation?

I'm sorry.  I lived in Beirut for six years.

You do not understand what you are saying.

Marcus Smith

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>       (Eckert, Robert G SPC MIL USA FORSCOM)
>    3. Re: Percy-L Digest, Vol 58, Issue 9 (Wade Riddick)
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> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:52:51 -0400
> From: "Tommy Armstrong" <tfa AT brickengraver.com>
> Subject: Re: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 58, Issue 9
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> "You do not seem to have much use for your fellow
> Christians, to say nothing of Ku Kluxers, ACLUers,
> Northerners, Southerners, fem-libbers, anti-fem-libbers,
> homosexuals, anti-homosexuals, Republicans, Democrats,
> hippies, anti-hippies, senior citizens." 
> 
> That's true-though, taken as individuals, they turn out to
> be more or less like oneself, i.e., sinners, and we get
> along fine.
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> Even Ku Kluxers?
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> Sure"
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> Questions They Never Asked Me
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> Signposts In A Strange Land 
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> Page 418
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> Sounds to me like Mr. Riddick has a bit of ideological
> rigidity himself when he writes:
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> 3.  Bush has an ideological rigidity/born-again
> certainty/willful
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> ignorance/autistic negligence that leads him to stumble
> through life like
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> Don Quixote on meth.
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> The same could equally apply to Pelosi, Obama, Barney
> Frank, Ted Kennedy, Common Cause, etc.  as well as Bush,
> Cheney, et al. 
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> But then again much of that statement could apply to
> everyone as we stumble along our journey. I have never met
> an individual in my life that did not reflect to one
> degree or another those "qualities".
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> Tommy Armstrong 
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> BrickEngraver LLC
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> www.brickengraver.com
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> Jack Aubrey:
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> "Oh dear oh dear, I seem fated to move from one blunder to
> another today. I shall hold my tongue or what remains of
> it."
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> Stephen Maturin:
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> "Where would conversation be if we were not allowed to
> exchange our views freely and abuse our neighbors now and
> again." 
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> Patrick O'Brian Forturne of War--Patrick O'Brian
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> From: "Eckert, Robert G SPC MIL USA FORSCOM"
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> It was a Thursday evening, not a Wednesday afternoon--but
> my excuse still is boredom.
> 
> Percy was a philosopher, not a philosopholigist. He would
> be debating this war.
> 
> The premise for the war was presumably false. CBRN WMD
> have not been found. (Although absence of evidence is not
> evidence of absence).
> 
> What may be occurring is a forced reconciliation between
> Sunnis and Shiites. 1300 years of conflict within Islam
> being dealt with.
> 
> There is a time for meeting aggression with greater
> aggression in order to reduce aggression. Every cop knows
> this.
> 
> War is controlled aggression. Messy, yes. But no army
> conducts themselves better under such strenuous
> circumstances as the US Army. 
> 
> The US Army is in a unique position to force a world
> peace. We are the most powerful, and also the most
> multicultural army the world has ever seen. The only
> ethnic group I have not seen represented is the aboriginal
> Australians. And I bet there is at least one in our Army. 
> 
> BTW, the most decorated soldier in my unit is a Muslim
> from Ghana. 
> 
> This war goes way beyond American Imperialism, it is
> religious reconciliation stuff.
> 
>   Bob
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: marcus AT loyno.edu
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:49
> Subject: Re: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 58, Issue 9
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> > I think Bob has every right to raise the questions he
> > does (though not sure they warrant posting on this list)
> > , but I think using WP as a reference point or
> > touchstone for verification of events and policies in
> > the present world--such as the decision to invade
> > Iraq--is asking for impossible. My experience with Percy
> > is that he was predictable and unpredictable, always
> > nuanced in ways that caught me by surprise. And the
> > reason for this is that he remained alert and
> > ingtellectually (and spiritually) active all the way to
> > the end. 
> > I think Percy probably would not see history an
> > allegorical figure. "Will history agree...." Obviously,
> > yes and no for a very long time. Maybe forever. Does
> > "history" agree on the Crusades? Are you going to submit
> > this question to Southern Baptists? Moslem scholars?
> > 
> > Other may have different opinions.
> > 
> > Marcus Smith
> > New Orleans
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> > > List,
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> > > Would Percy consider the present war in Iraq a waste
> > > of time or the beginning of something good?
> > > 
> > > Are we wasting lives and money on foolishness, or are
> > > we beginning the process of communication and
> > > community formation between disparate cultures that
> > > has since time immemorial begun with bloodshed?
> > > 
> > > Can Islam, Judaism and Christianity find common ground
> > > upon which we cooperate with each other, not kill each
> > > other?
> > > 
> > > I think Bush made the right decision. Mistakes, of
> > > course. 
> > > Will history agree that the effort and lives and
> > > injury and labor of our service members was worth it?
> > > 
> > > Bob
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