North American Fruit Explorers mailing list at ibiblio

[Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com>]

-Steve

On Mar 15, 2013, at 12:00 PM, nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:

> Send nafex mailing list submissions to
>    nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> 
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>    http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>    nafex-request@lists.ibiblio.org
> 
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>    nafex-owner@lists.ibiblio.org
> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..."
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Re:  cultivars of some lesser used species? (Hector Black)
>   2. Re:  cultivars of some lesser used species? (Barry Nichols)
>   3. Re:  cultivars of some lesser used species? (Matt Demmon)
>   4.  Grafting Cornus mas (Steven C)
>   5. Re:  Grafting Cornus mas (Little John)
>   6.  Abundance + Bruce plums (northeast). (Steven C)
>   7.  Varieties of Cornelian-cherry (Steven C)
>   8. Re:  Varieties of Cornelian-cherry (Little John)
>   9. Re:  cultivars of some lesser used species? (Ginda Fisher)
>  10.  Mass-plantings of lavender (Lavendula) to deter deer from
>      orchard/garden/plantings? (Steven C)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:06:07 -0500
> From: Hector Black <hblack1925@fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] cultivars of some lesser used species?
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <184B7D16-07EB-4F03-9625-1893EE7B0487@fastmail.fm>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I think that Amelanchier is the cultivar "Regent" from up north.  It's done 
> well here, but the birds love 'em too.   You could email them and ask.   
> Hector
> 
> On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Hector Black wrote:
> 
>> Hello Barry,
>>    Hidden Springs Nursery (Online) has cultivars of Amelanchier and 
>> aronia.  I could well be wrong, but thought most available black raspberry 
>> cultivars were selections from the wild.
>>    Glad to know you're working on this.
>>    Hector  (Black)   zone 6 middle tenn.
>> 
>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Barry Nichols wrote:
>> 
>>> Howdy folks.  This is Barry Nichols (persimmonpudding.com) from work.  So 
>>> here's the deal.  I have a test plot we're trying to make with native 
>>> species.  There are multiple objectives but that is the hinge.  Within 
>>> the natives, we're going to try to use cultivars in order to satisfy 
>>> additional objectives.  To that end, I'm having a bit of a problem 
>>> locating selected or improved plants.  I am NOT looking for hybrids 
>>> between species.  Below are the plants from which I'm having problems 
>>> sourcing cultivars:
>>> 
>>> Amelanchier laevis          Allegheny serviceberry
>>> 
>>> Corylus americana           hazelnut
>>> 
>>> Rubus occidentalis           black raspberry
>>> 
>>> Rubus allegheniensis      common blackberry
>>> 
>>> Aronia melanocarpa       black chokeberry - do have one sourced but would 
>>> like 1 or 2 more)
>>> 
>>> Vaccinium pallidum         lowbush blueberry
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Barry Nichols
>>> Senior Biologist
>>> Eco-Tech Consultants
>>> 11321 Decimal Drive
>>> Louisville, KY 40299
>>> 
>>> 502.259.0470 office
>>> 502.259.0473 fax
>>> 502.468.4539 mobile
>>> 
>>> bnichols@ecotechinc.com<mailto:bnichols@ecotechinc.com>
>>> http://www.ecotechinc.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> __________________
>>> nafex mailing list 
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>>> aubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list 
>>> maintenance:
>>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
>>> message archives
>>> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
>>> Google message archive search:
>>> site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] 
>>> nafex list mirror sites:
>>> http://nafexlist.blogspot.com/
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist
>>> Avant Geared  http://www.avantgeared.com
>> 
>> __________________
>> nafex mailing list 
>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>> aubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list 
>> maintenance:
>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
>> message archives
>> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex 
>> Google message archive search:
>> site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] 
>> nafex list mirror sites:
>> http://nafexlist.blogspot.com/
>> http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist
>> https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist
>> Avant Geared  http://www.avantgeared.com
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:09:05 +0000
> From: Barry Nichols <bnichols@ecotechinc.com>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] cultivars of some lesser used species?
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <6CA30FF17315EB42A0235E62A0679F6B8FE7B1@SERVER1.eco.local>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I appreciate it, but the team has been pretty adamant that they are looking 
> for P. americana for this site.  Since it is so widespread, I figured there 
> have to be a number of straight selections out there.
> 
> --- 
> Barry Nichols
> Senior Biologist
> Eco-Tech Consultants
> 11321 Decimal Drive
> Louisville, KY 40299
> 
> 502.259.0470 office
> 502.259.0473 fax
> 502.468.4539 mobile
> 
> bnichols@ecotechinc.com
> http://www.ecotechinc.com/
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org 
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Hector Black
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:00 PM
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio
> Subject: Re: [nafex] cultivars of some lesser used species?
> Importance: High
> 
> I have a selection of P munsoniana called "Wild Goose Plum".  Still 
> (barely) time to gather scion wood if you wish.    Hector
> 
> On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Hector Black wrote:
> 
>> Hello Barry,
>>    Hidden Springs Nursery (Online) has cultivars of Amelanchier and 
>> aronia.  I could well be wrong, but thought most available black raspberry 
>> cultivars were selections from the wild.
>>    Glad to know you're working on this.
>>    Hector  (Black)   zone 6 middle tenn.
>> 
>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:39 AM, Barry Nichols wrote:
>> 
>>> Howdy folks.  This is Barry Nichols (persimmonpudding.com) from work.  So 
>>> here's the deal.  I have a test plot we're trying to make with native 
>>> species.  There are multiple objectives but that is the hinge.  Within 
>>> the natives, we're going to try to use cultivars in order to satisfy 
>>> additional objectives.  To that end, I'm having a bit of a problem 
>>> locating selected or improved plants.  I am NOT looking for hybrids 
>>> between species.  Below are the plants from which I'm having problems 
>>> sourcing cultivars:
> 
>>> 
>>> Amelanchier laevis          Allegheny serviceberry
>>> 
>>> Corylus americana           hazelnut
>>> 
>>> Rubus occidentalis           black raspberry
>>> 
>>> Rubus allegheniensis      common blackberry
>>> 
>>> Aronia melanocarpa       black chokeberry - do have one sourced but would 
>>> like 1 or 2 more)
>>> 
>>> Vaccinium pallidum         lowbush blueberry
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Barry Nichols
>>> Senior Biologist
>>> Eco-Tech Consultants
>>> 11321 Decimal Drive
>>> Louisville, KY 40299
>>> 
>>> 502.259.0470 office
>>> 502.259.0473 fax
>>> 502.468.4539 mobile
>>> 
>>> bnichols@ecotechinc.com<mailto:bnichols@ecotechinc.com>
>>> http://www.ecotechinc.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> __________________
>>> nafex mailing list
>>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>>> aubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list 
>>> maintenance:
>>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
>>> message archives
>>> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
>>> Google message archive search:
>>> site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list 
>>> mirror sites:
>>> http://nafexlist.blogspot.com/
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist
>>> Avant Geared  http://www.avantgeared.com
>> 
>> __________________
>> nafex mailing list
>> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
>> aubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list 
>> maintenance:
>> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
>> message archives
>> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
>> Google message archive search:
>> site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list 
>> mirror sites:
>> http://nafexlist.blogspot.com/
>> http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist
>> https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist
>> Avant Geared  http://www.avantgeared.com
> 
> __________________
> nafex mailing list
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> aubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list 
> maintenance:
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
> message archives
> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex
> Google message archive search:
> site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] nafex list mirror 
> sites:
> http://nafexlist.blogspot.com/
> http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist
> https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist
> Avant Geared  http://www.avantgeared.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:51:55 -0400
> From: Matt Demmon <mdemmon@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] cultivars of some lesser used species?
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID:
>    <CAJJY6BM8g9QWbg_i8PCLc2BqPkXESR7SrsJVES=N61Uz_mh4qA@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I'm sure each of these species could be an essay in itself, but I'll just
> add a few comments about my direct knowledge.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Barry Nichols 
> <bnichols@ecotechinc.com>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Amelanchier laevis          Allegheny serviceberry
>> 
> 
> I'm not aware of any cultivars of this straight species, most of the
> cultivars selected for fruit or ornamental characteristics seem to be other
> species. And it's pretty hard to tell the species apart. Lots of blurry
> lines.
> 
>> 
>> Corylus americana           hazelnut
>> 
> 
> I believe Oikos has selected varieties that are pure C. americana. Seems
> like most of cultivars selected for nuts are hybrids.
> 
>> 
>> Rubus occidentalis           black raspberry
>> 
>> This one should be easy, many cultivars selected without hybridization.
> Try any berry supplier, Indiana Berry is my favorite.
> 
> 
>> Rubus allegheniensis      common blackberry
>> 
>> Not aware of any cultivars here.
> 
> 
>> Aronia melanocarpa       black chokeberry - do have one sourced but would
>> like 1 or 2 more)
>> 
>> Seems like Nero and Viking are the only ones usually offered, I think One
> Green World is the only place I've seen that offers more than one cultivar.
> 
> 
>> Vaccinium pallidum         lowbush blueberry
>> 
>> I believe Oikos may have a selection of this.
> 
> Prunus americana - Again, I think the huge majority of cultivars are
> selected from american/japanese crosses, and any cultivars are probably no
> longer available. Oikos may have a selection of the straight species.
> 
> Oikos Tree Crops, if you are unfamiliar with them, doesn't offer any clonal
> 'cultivar' material, but they do select their seed strains for fruiting and
> hardiness characteristics. They have many more straight species than most
> fruit nurseries.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> -matt
> z5 se MI
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:04:53 -0400
> From: Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Grafting Cornus mas
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <35627D38-2362-47FF-A0E7-EE1995F4A0BD@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have dormant scions of Cornus mas - two rootstocks awake in pots in doors 
> and one planted rootstock about to open its buds (34 F lows).  Any 
> suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve NJ
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 10:21:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Little John <moonwise_herbs@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Grafting Cornus mas
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID:
>    <1363281702.37585.YahooMailClassic@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I too plan on grafting a few varieties of C.mas real soon. I had mixed 
> success last year grafting them. My best results were; using the freshest 
> scions, thinner scions that were not heavily lignified and grafting when 
> the rootstock had leaves the size of a squirrel's ear. A cleft graft was my 
> best graft. Hope thats helpful.
> 
> -Little John
> 
> 
> "If we do not initiate the boys, they will burn the village down" -African 
> Proverb
> 
> --- On Thu, 3/14/13, Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Grafting Cornus mas
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 12:04 PM
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have dormant scions of Cornus mas - two rootstocks awake in pots in doors 
> and one planted rootstock about to open its buds (34 F lows).? Any 
> suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve NJ
> __________________
> nafex mailing list 
> nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> aubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list 
> maintenance:
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex
> message archives
> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex 
> Google message archive search:
> site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex [searchstring] 
> nafex list mirror sites:
> http://nafexlist.blogspot.com/
> http://groups.google.com/group/nafexlist
> https://sites.google.com/site/nafexmailinglist
> Avant Geared? http://www.avantgeared.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:23:25 -0400
> From: Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Abundance + Bruce plums (northeast).
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <AC3971B3-90A4-48B0-8070-464EBB8B37BA@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> What are the special benefits of cultivating 'Abundance' and 'Bruce' plums 
> in the northeast?
> 
> And is 'President' an especially good addition to a planting of 'NY-9' 
> ('Kenmore') and 'Imperial Epineuse'?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve, NJ
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:26:56 -0400
> From: Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Varieties of Cornelian-cherry
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <524340AE-0127-46C6-B7F6-5B74E1CEB468@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What are the "best" varieties of Cornelian-cherry dogwood (Cornus mas)?
> 
> I have Yellow(TM) - it's very good.  I hear that Pioneer is the best 
> flavored but not a reliable cropper.  I regret missing out on the 
> opportunity to buy 'Black Plum' - Lee Reich praises this variety.  I see 
> 'Red Dawn' and 'Sunrise' are newer Ukrainian ones available at a certain 
> nursery..
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve (NJ) 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:10:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Little John <moonwise_herbs@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Varieties of Cornelian-cherry
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID:
>    <1363320633.53462.YahooMailClassic@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Last year one of the varieties that I had a failure on was "Black Plum". 
> John Gordon sent me some scions before he died but they were really thick & 
> woody and not good for grafting. Maybe some other time I'll come across 
> some scions of that variety.
> 
> As for the best tasting variety of C.mas I hear that its a variety called 
> "Abanos" or "Eppler's Black". Alexander Eppler in Seattle has a collection 
> of about 20 varieties and he says thats his best. I got some wood from him 
> this year so we'll see how it stacks up in a few years. 
> 
> If you want to dream about C.mas here's a good site....
> http://cornusmas.eu/pages/strona-glowna/oferta/deren-jadalny-cornus-mas
> 
> Happy Grafting,
> Little John
> 
> 
> "If we do not initiate the boys, they will burn the village down" -African 
> Proverb
> 
> --- On Thu, 3/14/13, Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Steven C <filtertitle@aol.com>
> Subject: [nafex] Varieties of Cornelian-cherry
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 14, 2013, 8:26 PM
> 
> Hi,
> 
> What are the "best" varieties of Cornelian-cherry dogwood (Corn