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  • From: Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com>
  • To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] cudrania
  • Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:48:42 -0500

Perhaps Lee Reich will weigh in on Che pollination dynamics; he has a
chapter on these in his Uncommon Fruits book, which I would do well to
read and learn from.

Eric, it's hard the prove the negative, in this case that no
compatible pollen plant exists within range of your che. But being
the nosy, wandering, trespasser I am, and due to the layout of our
suburbs that offer sight or roadway to both front and back yards, and
the types of trees planted in our area, I suspect there are no other
che trees for some distance. Heck, there are few of any of the trees
described so well in Lee's books. That was why the newspaper wrote
stories on our plantings, and we continue to train master gardeners on
minor fruits, and we've yet to find someone with another che tree,
though hundreds have toured our yard and seen ours.

Che is in the mulberry family. Folks please correct me on this, but I
recall members of this family can have male and female blooms on
separate trees, on the same tree but separate locations, or male and
female parts within the same flower, and some of these can vary on the
same tree over its lifetime. Yes, I have seen years where a young che
bush had fruit-like structures that released pollen, and then aborted
it before ripening. So Eric, if possible, treat yours well, give it
time, and see if you get fruit without a pollinator. Your experience
either way, reported here, would be helpful.

Jerry, I have not done the test you mention below, about the effect
of pollination on size of Che fruit. But, I did not notice a change
in fruit size when I had a pollinator vs. when I did not, though the
fruit occurred in different seasons.

Richard Moyer
SW VA

> 1. Re: Cudrania and jujube (Eric Farnsworth)

> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:53:13 -0800 (PST)
> From: Eric Farnsworth <tropicofkansas@sbcglobal.net>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Cudrania and jujube
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> I got my female Cudrania a few years ago from Edible Landscaping, and they
> advertised it as self-fruitful, so I didn't get a male to accompany it. It
> took a while, due to neglect, transplanting, etc, but it has flowered the
> last 2 seasons. Last year the flowers persisted on the branch, but did not
> grow or do anything resembling ripening, so I began to wonder how one could
> be certain that a wind pollinated fruit that ripened?was actually not
> getting pollen from somewhere and did not need a pollen source.
> ?
> Eric Farnsworth
> Lawrence KS
>
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:34:36 EST
> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Cudrania and jujube
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> In a message dated 3/8/2011 9:35:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> ramoyer@gmail.com writes:
>
>> Don't know where you are getting you info, but in my experience Che
>> (Cudrania) does not need a male.? I'd try growing a 'female' and see
>> what you get.? Worked for me.? More extensive discussion of this in
>> the list archives.
>> Richard Moyer
>>
>
> Hello Richard,
>
> What size Che are you getting. Mine w/o a pollinator are seedless and
> cherry size and I've been told they are bigger when a male is available.
>
> Jerry
>
>
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