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["Brady, Kathy" <BradyK@health.missouri.edu>]

I have been fascinated with the Google Translate Site.. Some things do lose a 
bit in translation.  But just in case you haven't tried it.. Maybe it will 
help a bit.. Someone fluent in Spanish would be evem better though.

http://translate.google.com

Kathy Brady

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Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 3:49 PM
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Subject: [NAFEX] how's your Spanish?

I received an article for Pomona that looks great...but it's all in
Spanish! There must be someone in the NAFEX family who is fluent in
Spanish, and would be able to translate it for us. It's 5 pages long,
so even if you couldn't get it done for the upcoming issue, but a
later one, that would be great. Thanks for considering it!

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>   1. Jujubes... (anne bianca)
>   2. Re: Jujubes... (S & E Hills)
>   3. Re: Jujubes... (anne bianca)
>   4. Re: Jujubes... (Lon J. Rombough)
>   5. Re: Jujubes... (anne bianca)
>   6. Re: (Dormant) Horticultural Oil (Mark Angermayer)
>   7. Re: Jujubes... (Douglas Woodard)
>   8. Re: Jujubes... (anne bianca)
>   9. Re: Discovering the Pluot: A Review of The Perfect Fruit by
>      Chip Brantley (William C. Garthright)
>  10. Asian pear (Pyrus pyrifolia) pollination (david.maxwell@dal.ca)
>  11. Re: Asian pear (Pyrus pyrifolia) pollination (Drevniok)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:56:03 -0800 (PST)
> From: anne bianca <atbianca@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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> Does anyone have experience with Jujube trees and what types are
> best to plant?? I live in central and western Arizona and supposedly
> they grow here.? Any responses would be much appreciated.? Anne
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> From: "S & E Hills" <ehills7408@wowway.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
> To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> My experience is limited, I've planted them but not yet had any
> fruit.   Li
> and Lang are the most commonly sold varieties but neither is very
> strongly
> recommended among people who've grown or tried them.  The two most
> recommended varieties (for eating fresh, not dried) are Sugar Cane
> and Honey
> Jar.  They are also pretty difficult to locate for sale.
>
>
>
> (Roger Meyer, a NAFEX member and I believe the jujube expert does sell
> plants of each and I'll look for his contact info if you're
> intetested).
>
>
>
> England's nursery also offers a nice variety of plants, though he
> offers
> neither HJ or SC.  Both he and Roger ship well developed plants.  As
> far as
> varieties for drying, Lang is likely fine, but again either of those
> two
> sources likely offer varieties that are superior in this regard as
> well.
>
>
>
> They are nice, easy and attractive plants.  They suffer from no
> disease
> problems, at least not that I've experienced or read.
>
>
>
> Scott Hills
>
> Zone 6b Michigan
>
>
>
>  _____
>
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> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of anne bianca
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 3:56 PM
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> Subject: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone have experience with Jujube trees and what types are
> best to
> plant?  I live in central and western Arizona and supposedly they
> grow here.
> Any responses would be much appreciated.  Anne
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> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 14:30:03 -0800 (PST)
> From: anne bianca <atbianca@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Scott,
> ?
> ????????? Thank you very much for all the information.? I am
> planning a purchase from Willis Orchards for a persimmon and have
> always been interested in the Jujube for various reasons.? They
> currently offer only four varieties...now I will hold off on buying
> this particular tree from them for now.?
> ?????????? I would instead be interested in Mr. Meyers' contact
> information to see if he has any available.
> ?????????? Thank you again for the info, especially regarding Lang
> and Li.? Anne.
> --- On Fri, 3/5/10, S & E Hills <ehills7408@wowway.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: S & E Hills <ehills7408@wowway.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
> To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 2:47 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> My experience is limited, I?ve planted them but not yet had any
> fruit.?? Li and Lang are the most commonly sold varieties but
> neither is very strongly recommended among people who?ve grown or
> tried them.? The two most recommended varieties (for eating fresh,
> not dried) are Sugar Cane and Honey Jar.? They are also pretty
> difficult to locate for sale.?
> ?
> (Roger Meyer, a NAFEX member and I believe the jujube expert does
> sell plants of each and I?ll look for his contact info if you?re
> intetested).?
> ?
> England?s nursery also offers a nice variety of plants, though he
> offers neither HJ or SC.? Both he and Roger ship well developed
> plants.? As far as varieties for drying, Lang is likely fine, but
> again either of those two sources likely offer varieties that are
> superior in this regard as well.
> ?
> They are nice, easy and attractive plants.? They suffer from no
> disease problems, at least not that I?ve experienced or read.?
> ?
> Scott Hills
> Zone 6b Michigan
> ?
>
>
>
>
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org 
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> ] On Behalf Of anne bianca
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 3:56 PM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
> ?
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone have experience with Jujube trees and what types are
> best to plant?? I live in central and western Arizona and supposedly
> they grow here.? Any responses would be much appreciated.? Anne
> ?
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> From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
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> Roger Meyer
> 16531 Mt. Shelly Circle
> Fountain Valley,  CA 92708
> 714-839-0796 evenings before 10
> E-mail xotcfruit@yahoo.com
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 2:30 PM, anne bianca wrote:
>
> Scott,
> ?
> ????????? Thank you very much for all the information.? I am
> planning a
> purchase from Willis Orchards for a persimmon and have always been
> interested in the Jujube for various reasons.? They currently offer
> only four varieties...now I will hold off on buying this particular
> tree from them for now.?
> ?????????? I would instead be interested in Mr. Meyers' contact
> information to see if he has any available.
> ?????????? Thank you again for the info, especially regarding Lang and
> Li.? Anne.
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> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:25:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: anne bianca <atbianca@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
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> Lon,
> ?
> ?????? I appreciate the contact info.? I just emailed him and
> hopefully he can help me - Thank you, Anne.
>
> --- On Fri, 3/5/10, Lon J. Rombough <lonrom@hevanet.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Lon J. Rombough <lonrom@hevanet.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 3:37 PM
>
>
> Roger Meyer
> 16531 Mt. Shelly Circle
> Fountain Valley,? CA 92708
> 714-839-0796 evenings before 10
> E-mail xotcfruit@yahoo.com
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 2:30 PM, anne bianca wrote:
>
> Scott,
> ?
> ????????? Thank you very much for all the information.? I am
> planning a purchase from Willis Orchards for a persimmon and have
> always been interested in the Jujube for various reasons.? They
> currently offer only four varieties...now I will hold off on buying
> this particular tree from them for now.?
> ?????????? I would instead be interested in Mr. Meyers' contact
> information to see if he has any available.
> ?????????? Thank you again for the info, especially regarding Lang
> and Li.? Anne.
>
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> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 19:26:24 -0600
> From: "Mark Angermayer" <hangermayer@isp.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] (Dormant) Horticultural Oil
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> Tanis wrote: "What's the shelf- (or storage shed) life of these?  I
> have a
> small jug I haven't looked at in a couple/few years, but I plan to use
> dormant oil spray this spring. "
>
> There really isn't any definitive answers on how quickly various
> pesticides
> degrade in their containers because there are multiple variables
> involved
> (temperature, sunlight, etc).  They don't just go bad, they degrade
> slowly
> and become less effective.
>
> Since all hort oil does is smother the insects, the shelf life is
> probably
> indefinite.  I suppose the emulsifiers could break down, but I doubt
> it.  If
> you don't use it, it'll probably out last its container.
>
> Mark
> KS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] (Dormant) Horticultural Oil
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:39:17 -0500
> From: Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
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> An interesting point about jujubes is that they are reported to
> contain
> about 500 milligrams of Vitamin C per 100 grams of fruit. This is
> about
> 10 times that of an orange. I don't know what effect the drying
> process
> may have on the Vitamin C content but I suspect that it may cause a
> considerable reduction.
>
> See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C
> and
> <http://www.naturalhub.com/natural_food_guide_fruit_vitamin_c.htm>
>
> For some other information including cultivars, see
>
> http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/jujube.html
>
> It was reported in the Pomona some years ago that a seedling jujube
> had
> been grown successfully at Chatham, Ontario, a little east of
> Detroit/Windsor, where I think the historic low temperature is
> probably
> about minus 20 degrees Fahreheit, it being a little bit colder in
> winter
> (and hotter in summer) than where I am in the Niagara Peninsula.
>
> Doug Woodard
> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>
>
> anne bianca wrote:
>> Does anyone have experience with Jujube trees and what types are
>> best to
>> plant?  I live in central and western Arizona and supposedly they
>> grow
>> here.  Any responses would be much appreciated.  Anne
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:33:26 -0800 (PST)
> From: anne bianca <atbianca@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <291750.44565.qm@web50402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Douglas,
> ?
> ???????? Thanks for the information.? I hope the varieties I wind up
> planting will?be just as hardy.? It?may not get that cold in my
> zone, but I do worry about my "guys" any time we have freeze
> warnings.? I am going to check the sites you have checked to see
> what other types of Jujube are out there so I can find out more
> about them.? I am wondering now if there are any self-fertile
> varieties out there.? Anne
>
> --- On Fri, 3/5/10, Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org> wrote:
>
>
> From: Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
> To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 6:39 PM
>
>
> An interesting point about jujubes is that they are reported to
> contain
> about 500 milligrams of Vitamin C per 100 grams of fruit. This is
> about
> 10 times that of an orange. I don't know what effect the drying
> process
> may have on the Vitamin C content but I suspect that it may cause a
> considerable reduction.
>
> See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C
> and
> <http://www.naturalhub.com/natural_food_guide_fruit_vitamin_c.htm>
>
> For some other information including cultivars, see
>
> http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/jujube.html
>
> It was reported in the Pomona some years ago that a seedling jujube
> had
> been grown successfully at Chatham, Ontario, a little east of
> Detroit/Windsor, where I think the historic low temperature is
> probably
> about minus 20 degrees Fahreheit, it being a little bit colder in
> winter
> (and hotter in summer) than where I am in the Niagara Peninsula.
>
> Doug Woodard
> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
>
>
> anne bianca wrote:
>> Does anyone have experience with Jujube trees and what types are
>> best to
>> plant?? I live in central and western Arizona and supposedly they
>> grow
>> here.? Any responses would be much appreciated.? Anne
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> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:59:58 -0600
> From: "William C. Garthright" <billg@inebraska.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Discovering the Pluot: A Review of The Perfect
>       Fruit by        Chip Brantley
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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>
>> Discovering the Pluot: A Review of The Perfect Fruit
>
>
> The perfect fruit?  Well, maybe from a commercial standpoint. I have
> to
> admit that pluots I've bought in the grocery store have been pretty
> good, especially considering how disappointing other kinds of fruit
> often are. Pluots are sweet even when picked early, and they
> apparently
> ship really well.
>
> But for growing my own,... I don't think I'd go that far. I've only
> had
> fruit one year, so far, but they've been a bit too sweet for my
> tastes.
> And only one variety (so far) has produced at all abundantly.
>
> OK, my Flavor Supreme pluot this year WAS very close to the best fruit
> I've ever eaten, but I only got two fruit from the whole tree. It's
> going to have to produce a little better than that before I consider
> it
> "perfect."
>
> :-)
>
> Bill
> Lincoln, NE (zone 5)
>
> http://garthright.blogspot.com/
>
> --
> We should end the practice of viewing words as crimes. - Liu Xiaobo,
> sentenced to 11 years in prison for "inciting subversion of state
> power"
> in China.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:02:50 -0400
> From: david.maxwell@dal.ca
> Subject: [NAFEX] Asian pear (Pyrus pyrifolia) pollination
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <4B92527A.7671.529FFA@david.maxwell.dal.ca>
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>
> I have found conflicting information about the need for a pollinator
> for these.  Are they self-
> fruitful? (One source said Shinseiki "tends to be self-fruitful",
> but other cultivars require a
> pollinator).  Supplementary question: any comments on root stocks?
> (One source seems to
> suggest that European pear stocks work fine, but I have a vague
> recollection from the distant
> past of talk of incompatibilities.)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:17:58 -0500
> From: Drevniok <colleendaly@videotron.ca>
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Asian pear (Pyrus pyrifolia) pollination
> To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <4B926416.5050309@videotron.ca>
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>
>        My  (lone) Asian pear (variety unknown) set fruit without any
> pollinators. I have since added a "regular"  Flemish Beauty and a
> Clapp's.
>    and really can't notice that it made a big difference in the amount
> of fruit setting on the Asian pear  - perhaps a little better.
>
>          Peter Drevniok, Gatineau, Quebec zone 5
>
>
> david.maxwell@dal.ca wrote:
>> I have found conflicting information about the need for a
>> pollinator for these.  Are they self-
>> fruitful? (One source said Shinseiki "tends to be self-fruitful",
>> but other cultivars require a
>> pollinator).  Supplementary question: any comments on root stocks?
>> (One source seems to
>> suggest that European pear stocks work fine, but I have a vague
>> recollection from the distant
>> past of talk of incompatibilities.)
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