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  • Subject: [NAFEX] how's your Spanish?
  • Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:49:45 -0500

I received an article for Pomona that looks great...but it's all in Spanish! There must be someone in the NAFEX family who is fluent in Spanish, and would be able to translate it for us. It's 5 pages long, so even if you couldn't get it done for the upcoming issue, but a later one, that would be great. Thanks for considering it!

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Today's Topics:

1. Jujubes... (anne bianca)
2. Re: Jujubes... (S & E Hills)
3. Re: Jujubes... (anne bianca)
4. Re: Jujubes... (Lon J. Rombough)
5. Re: Jujubes... (anne bianca)
6. Re: (Dormant) Horticultural Oil (Mark Angermayer)
7. Re: Jujubes... (Douglas Woodard)
8. Re: Jujubes... (anne bianca)
9. Re: Discovering the Pluot: A Review of The Perfect Fruit by
Chip Brantley (William C. Garthright)
10. Asian pear (Pyrus pyrifolia) pollination (david.maxwell@dal.ca)
11. Re: Asian pear (Pyrus pyrifolia) pollination (Drevniok)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:56:03 -0800 (PST)
From: anne bianca <atbianca@yahoo.com>
Subject: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
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Does anyone have experience with Jujube trees and what types are best to plant?? I live in central and western Arizona and supposedly they grow here.? Any responses would be much appreciated.? Anne



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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:47:22 -0500
From: "S & E Hills" <ehills7408@wowway.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
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My experience is limited, I've planted them but not yet had any fruit. Li
and Lang are the most commonly sold varieties but neither is very strongly
recommended among people who've grown or tried them. The two most
recommended varieties (for eating fresh, not dried) are Sugar Cane and Honey
Jar. They are also pretty difficult to locate for sale.



(Roger Meyer, a NAFEX member and I believe the jujube expert does sell
plants of each and I'll look for his contact info if you're intetested).



England's nursery also offers a nice variety of plants, though he offers
neither HJ or SC. Both he and Roger ship well developed plants. As far as
varieties for drying, Lang is likely fine, but again either of those two
sources likely offer varieties that are superior in this regard as well.



They are nice, easy and attractive plants. They suffer from no disease
problems, at least not that I've experienced or read.



Scott Hills

Zone 6b Michigan



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Does anyone have experience with Jujube trees and what types are best to
plant? I live in central and western Arizona and supposedly they grow here.
Any responses would be much appreciated. Anne



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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 14:30:03 -0800 (PST)
From: anne bianca <atbianca@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
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Scott,
?
????????? Thank you very much for all the information.? I am planning a purchase from Willis Orchards for a persimmon and have always been interested in the Jujube for various reasons.? They currently offer only four varieties...now I will hold off on buying this particular tree from them for now.?
?????????? I would instead be interested in Mr. Meyers' contact information to see if he has any available.
?????????? Thank you again for the info, especially regarding Lang and Li.? Anne.
--- On Fri, 3/5/10, S & E Hills <ehills7408@wowway.com> wrote:


From: S & E Hills <ehills7408@wowway.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 2:47 PM








My experience is limited, I?ve planted them but not yet had any fruit.?? Li and Lang are the most commonly sold varieties but neither is very strongly recommended among people who?ve grown or tried them.? The two most recommended varieties (for eating fresh, not dried) are Sugar Cane and Honey Jar.? They are also pretty difficult to locate for sale.?
?
(Roger Meyer, a NAFEX member and I believe the jujube expert does sell plants of each and I?ll look for his contact info if you?re intetested).?
?
England?s nursery also offers a nice variety of plants, though he offers neither HJ or SC.? Both he and Roger ship well developed plants.? As far as varieties for drying, Lang is likely fine, but again either of those two sources likely offer varieties that are superior in this regard as well.
?
They are nice, easy and attractive plants.? They suffer from no disease problems, at least not that I?ve experienced or read.?
?
Scott Hills
Zone 6b Michigan
?




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Does anyone have experience with Jujube trees and what types are best to plant?? I live in central and western Arizona and supposedly they grow here.? Any responses would be much appreciated.? Anne
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 14:37:52 -0800
From: "Lon J. Rombough" <lonrom@hevanet.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
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Roger Meyer
16531 Mt. Shelly Circle
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
714-839-0796 evenings before 10
E-mail xotcfruit@yahoo.com

On Mar 5, 2010, at 2:30 PM, anne bianca wrote:

Scott,
?
????????? Thank you very much for all the information.? I am planning a
purchase from Willis Orchards for a persimmon and have always been
interested in the Jujube for various reasons.? They currently offer
only four varieties...now I will hold off on buying this particular
tree from them for now.?
?????????? I would instead be interested in Mr. Meyers' contact
information to see if he has any available.
?????????? Thank you again for the info, especially regarding Lang and
Li.? Anne.
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Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:25:38 -0800 (PST)
From: anne bianca <atbianca@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
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Lon,
?
?????? I appreciate the contact info.? I just emailed him and hopefully he can help me - Thank you, Anne.

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From: Lon J. Rombough <lonrom@hevanet.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 3:37 PM


Roger Meyer
16531 Mt. Shelly Circle
Fountain Valley,? CA 92708
714-839-0796 evenings before 10
E-mail xotcfruit@yahoo.com

On Mar 5, 2010, at 2:30 PM, anne bianca wrote:

Scott,
?
????????? Thank you very much for all the information.? I am planning a purchase from Willis Orchards for a persimmon and have always been interested in the Jujube for various reasons.? They currently offer only four varieties...now I will hold off on buying this particular tree from them for now.?
?????????? I would instead be interested in Mr. Meyers' contact information to see if he has any available.
?????????? Thank you again for the info, especially regarding Lang and Li.? Anne.

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 19:26:24 -0600
From: "Mark Angermayer" <hangermayer@isp.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] (Dormant) Horticultural Oil
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Tanis wrote: "What's the shelf- (or storage shed) life of these? I have a
small jug I haven't looked at in a couple/few years, but I plan to use
dormant oil spray this spring. "

There really isn't any definitive answers on how quickly various pesticides
degrade in their containers because there are multiple variables involved
(temperature, sunlight, etc). They don't just go bad, they degrade slowly
and become less effective.

Since all hort oil does is smother the insects, the shelf life is probably
indefinite. I suppose the emulsifiers could break down, but I doubt it. If
you don't use it, it'll probably out last its container.

Mark
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:39:17 -0500
From: Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
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An interesting point about jujubes is that they are reported to contain
about 500 milligrams of Vitamin C per 100 grams of fruit. This is about
10 times that of an orange. I don't know what effect the drying process
may have on the Vitamin C content but I suspect that it may cause a
considerable reduction.

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C
and
<http://www.naturalhub.com/natural_food_guide_fruit_vitamin_c.htm>

For some other information including cultivars, see

http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/jujube.html

It was reported in the Pomona some years ago that a seedling jujube had
been grown successfully at Chatham, Ontario, a little east of
Detroit/Windsor, where I think the historic low temperature is probably
about minus 20 degrees Fahreheit, it being a little bit colder in winter
(and hotter in summer) than where I am in the Niagara Peninsula.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


anne bianca wrote:
Does anyone have experience with Jujube trees and what types are best to
plant? I live in central and western Arizona and supposedly they grow
here. Any responses would be much appreciated. Anne


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:33:26 -0800 (PST)
From: anne bianca <atbianca@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Douglas,
?
???????? Thanks for the information.? I hope the varieties I wind up planting will?be just as hardy.? It?may not get that cold in my zone, but I do worry about my "guys" any time we have freeze warnings.? I am going to check the sites you have checked to see what other types of Jujube are out there so I can find out more about them.? I am wondering now if there are any self-fertile varieties out there.? Anne

--- On Fri, 3/5/10, Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org> wrote:


From: Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Jujubes...
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 6:39 PM


An interesting point about jujubes is that they are reported to contain
about 500 milligrams of Vitamin C per 100 grams of fruit. This is about
10 times that of an orange. I don't know what effect the drying process
may have on the Vitamin C content but I suspect that it may cause a
considerable reduction.

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C
and
<http://www.naturalhub.com/natural_food_guide_fruit_vitamin_c.htm>

For some other information including cultivars, see

http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/jujube.html

It was reported in the Pomona some years ago that a seedling jujube had
been grown successfully at Chatham, Ontario, a little east of
Detroit/Windsor, where I think the historic low temperature is probably
about minus 20 degrees Fahreheit, it being a little bit colder in winter
(and hotter in summer) than where I am in the Niagara Peninsula.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


anne bianca wrote:
Does anyone have experience with Jujube trees and what types are best to
plant?? I live in central and western Arizona and supposedly they grow
here.? Any responses would be much appreciated.? Anne
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:59:58 -0600
From: "William C. Garthright" <billg@inebraska.com>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Discovering the Pluot: A Review of The Perfect
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Discovering the Pluot: A Review of The Perfect Fruit


The perfect fruit? Well, maybe from a commercial standpoint. I have to
admit that pluots I've bought in the grocery store have been pretty
good, especially considering how disappointing other kinds of fruit
often are. Pluots are sweet even when picked early, and they apparently
ship really well.

But for growing my own,... I don't think I'd go that far. I've only had
fruit one year, so far, but they've been a bit too sweet for my tastes.
And only one variety (so far) has produced at all abundantly.

OK, my Flavor Supreme pluot this year WAS very close to the best fruit
I've ever eaten, but I only got two fruit from the whole tree. It's
going to have to produce a little better than that before I consider it
"perfect."

:-)

Bill
Lincoln, NE (zone 5)

http://garthright.blogspot.com/

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sentenced to 11 years in prison for "inciting subversion of state power"
in China.


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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:02:50 -0400
From: david.maxwell@dal.ca
Subject: [NAFEX] Asian pear (Pyrus pyrifolia) pollination
To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
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I have found conflicting information about the need for a pollinator for these. Are they self-
fruitful? (One source said Shinseiki "tends to be self-fruitful", but other cultivars require a
pollinator). Supplementary question: any comments on root stocks? (One source seems to
suggest that European pear stocks work fine, but I have a vague recollection from the distant
past of talk of incompatibilities.)


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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:17:58 -0500
From: Drevniok <colleendaly@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Asian pear (Pyrus pyrifolia) pollination
To: North American Fruit Explorers <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <4B926416.5050309@videotron.ca>
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My (lone) Asian pear (variety unknown) set fruit without any
pollinators. I have since added a "regular" Flemish Beauty and a Clapp's.
and really can't notice that it made a big difference in the amount
of fruit setting on the Asian pear - perhaps a little better.

Peter Drevniok, Gatineau, Quebec zone 5


david.maxwell@dal.ca wrote:
I have found conflicting information about the need for a pollinator for these. Are they self-
fruitful? (One source said Shinseiki "tends to be self-fruitful", but other cultivars require a
pollinator). Supplementary question: any comments on root stocks? (One source seems to
suggest that European pear stocks work fine, but I have a vague recollection from the distant
past of talk of incompatibilities.)
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