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["S & E Hills" <ehills7408@wowway.com>]

Lee, your book was one of the reasons I now grow each of those trees (well I had the pawpaws before reading your book in all honesty).

 

From Lee’s Book…..With commentary by me

 

Che (Lee, maybe you could include a pronunciation guide in the next book)

            Described as a large shrub or a small tree  to about 20 feet (though specimens of 60 or more feet are possible) with a spreading flattened top.  Some plants have a vinelike habit, though this might be a quality of juvinile plants. Leaves are highly variable and drop without fanfare {strange as I remember mine getting yellowish….hmmm…I’ll have to check if I have pics of that)  

 

Persimmon (Kaki)  

            Drooping leaves and branches give the plant a relaxed appearance.  { didn’t notice any mention of size of this tree in the book, but I am just skimming for relevant information….I can tell you that I chose a variety that would remain very small Ichi Ke Kei Jiro and I have read elsewhere that Kaki are smaller than American Persimmon}

 

Pawpaw

            {I know Bassem has Pawpaw trees already}  Small pyramidal tree with drooping branches and large leaves that turn a nice yellow (though not as clear a yellow as Ginkgo) before falling in the fall.  Generally height is between 10 and 25 feet in height, though individual specimens have been noted at nearly 50 feet tall (their fruit is among the earliest “fast food” in the forest and if you’re not careful it might knock your block off) 

 

Pawpaw would have the nicest flowers of the three, though hanging roadkill in the branches to ensure fertilization might upset the homeowners association.  Che (on Osage Orange rootstock) and Pawpaw have the propensity to sucker (not a desirable trait for the front yard)  They also are the trees least likely to suffer winter die back due to temperatures.  Persimmon fruit hanging from the branches would look great  (like mini pumpkins) at Halloween as would Che (looking like a tree filled with red/pink ping-pong ball sized brains) especially so if the trees have lost their leaves. 

 

 

Btw…I have the pruning book as well, though I haven’t finished reading through it yet. 

 

Scott Hills

 

 

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From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lee Reich
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:55 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Front Lawn fruit tree

 

I cover the appearance, growth habit, etc. of all three of these fruits in my book on Uncommon Fruits. Check it out in your library.

 

Lee Reich, PhD

garden@leereich.com

 

Books by Lee Reich:

The Pruning Book

Weedless Gardening

Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden

 

On Mar 3, 2007, at 11:26 AM, S & E Hills wrote:

Che's fall color is yellow (like mulberry). I can't say much about its

growth habit as I have only had mine for a year. I actually planted both

Che and Ichi Ke Kei Jiro Persimmon in my front yard (about 10 feet from each

other). I also have a Ginkgo in my front yard, so the persimmon with its

red/orange fall color seems a better choice for me, though it might not be

for you. (though my persimmon's leaves did not change last year, its first

year in my yard, they just eventually browned and fell off)

 

Keep in mind that Che does have thorns and this might be an issue with a

front yard tree.

 

Scott Hills

 

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From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org

[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Joe and Ellen Hecksel

Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 9:26 AM

To: North American Fruit Explorers

Subject: Re: [NAFEX] Front Lawn fruit tree

 

Bassem Samaan wrote:

I had a magnolia planted in my front yard, that I cut down 3 years ago.

I wanted to replace it with edible landscaping. I'm confused between

Che, Pawpaw, or Saijo persimmon. I already have pawpaws planted about

30' away from the spot. So if it was a pawpaw it already has the

pollinator. I'm not sure if Che will be a specimen tree, I love Saijo

fruit as well.

What would you do if you were me?

 

Pawpaw trees are a bit small for typical specimen trees. Fine for a

micro yard or a secluded nook. Fall color is clear, pale yellow.

 

Most Asian persimmons are also smallish trees due to very heavy bearing.

Many sport awesome fall color with very hot reds and orange.

 

I can make no comment on Che.

 

If you like the flavor and have a medium size yard, Ya Li Asian pear

should be considered. Beautiful tree. Spring flowers. Clean leaves.

Sparkling, early (far earlier than Bradford flowering pear) fall colors.

The only drawbacks are that the fruit aroma is more like incense than

fruity and large amounts of fruit.

 

Salem aleikum from Eaton Rapids

-Joe

 

 

Bass Zone6

Bethlehem, pa

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