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Che can become a pretty sizeable tree over time.  I'll have to dig back 
through my files - I've got some photos somewhere of a big one that Cliff 
England sent me.
'Great Wall' persimmon seems - based on my 3-4 year experience with it - like 
it's going to be a full-size tree, not a dwarf, shrubby thing.  Big, 
tasty(like watermelon, to my palate) astringent-'til-ripe fruits, and 
terrific red-orange fall color.