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["Regina Kreger" <regina@kreger.net>]

John, it must be temporary. I was able to get to it the other day when Tom
first posted it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Cruickshank" <heavensi@heavensi.cnc.net>
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: RE: [NAFEX] SoilandHealth.org?


> Hi there,
>
> Re: of Cato's writings talks about training grapes
> to trees in this web page;
>
> http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010121cato/catofarmtext.htm
>
> Later,
> Tom
>
>
> Does anyone know the status of www.soilandhealth.org mentioned in the
> message to the list below?  I can't reach that domain or any links on it,
> but it all looks like really good stuff to be online with.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Olenio
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:41 AM
> To: North American Fruit Explorers
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] grow grapes on pines?
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Trees are exactly what the ancients used to train grapes.
>
> See Cato or Columella for specific instruction in this area.
>
> Section "32, Tending Vines" of Cato's writings talks about training grapes
> to trees in this web page;
>
> http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010121cato/catofarmtext.htm
>
> Later,
> Tom
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:19:14 -0500, Charles Paradise
> <machelp@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Thirty years ago two-needle red pines were planted in a single row on
> > the back edge of the property.  Sun goes directly onto several of them
> > with not too much obstruction.    The pines are off course tall, say 25'
> > or 30', and the trunks are bare at least the bottom 15'.   Dead limbs
> > appear on the bare trunks appearing promising to help the grapes cling.
> >
> > I've always thought pines beat the soil.  I wonder if there will be
> > enough water and other nutrients to encourage the grapes to grow up on
> > them.  On the other hand, one of the pines has an enormous volunteer
> > grape, apparantly male-only because it blooms copiously, and it is a
> > heavy vine growing completely to the top of the pine it is growing on.
> >
> > So what do you all think?  Are you for my planting the grapes at the
> > base of the pines, or against it?
> >
> > If you are for it, at what height should the grapes be kept down to?
> > [climbing trees is a hard way to harvest grapes!]
> >
> > Charlie Paradise
> > zone 5ish Massachusetts
> >
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