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["John Cruickshank" <heavensi@heavensi.cnc.net>]

Hi there,

Re: of Cato's writings talks about training grapes
to trees in this web page;

http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010121cato/catofarmtext.htm

Later,
Tom


Does anyone know the status of www.soilandhealth.org mentioned in the
message to the list below?  I can't reach that domain or any links on it,
but it all looks like really good stuff to be online with.



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From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Olenio
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 10:41 AM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] grow grapes on pines?


Hello,

Trees are exactly what the ancients used to train grapes.

See Cato or Columella for specific instruction in this area.

Section "32, Tending Vines" of Cato's writings talks about training grapes
to trees in this web page;

http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010121cato/catofarmtext.htm

Later,
Tom


On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:19:14 -0500, Charles Paradise
<machelp@attglobal.net> wrote:

> Thirty years ago two-needle red pines were planted in a single row on
> the back edge of the property.  Sun goes directly onto several of them
> with not too much obstruction.    The pines are off course tall, say 25'
> or 30', and the trunks are bare at least the bottom 15'.   Dead limbs
> appear on the bare trunks appearing promising to help the grapes cling.
>
> I've always thought pines beat the soil.  I wonder if there will be
> enough water and other nutrients to encourage the grapes to grow up on
> them.  On the other hand, one of the pines has an enormous volunteer
> grape, apparantly male-only because it blooms copiously, and it is a
> heavy vine growing completely to the top of the pine it is growing on.
>
> So what do you all think?  Are you for my planting the grapes at the
> base of the pines, or against it?
>
> If you are for it, at what height should the grapes be kept down to?
> [climbing trees is a hard way to harvest grapes!]
>
> Charlie Paradise
> zone 5ish Massachusetts
>
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