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  • From: "Griffin Gardens" <>
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  • Subject: Re: [NAFEX] RE: Cherries
  • Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:44:3 -0500

Hello all,
More light on this question was provided by Michael Smith of Quebec in
the XIX-3 issue of POMONA. He compiled and summarized test data done by the
station at Morden that went back to WWI. Here are the data portion of his

"P. pennsylvanica - Pin cherry was a poor rootstock for all species tested
except other pin cherries. Sour cherry buds were first placed on pin cherry
in 1924, and although initially successful, they all developed week graft
unions. In 1929, a similar trial was also unsuccessful. Scout apricot,
Assiniboine plum, sandcherry, and Nanking cherry also failed. Even some pin
cherry seedlings were uncertain. The stock also tended to sucker heavily.

P. virginiana - Plum topworked on chokecherry in 1924 grew for a year and
then died. Subsequent buddings of plum, Nanking cherry,Prairie Almond, and
pin cherry have failed. Shubert chokecherry was compatible, but the
rootstock suckered heavily.

P. serotina - In 1950, black cherry was tested as a stock for Nanking
cherry, P. fruiticosa, Wragg sour cherry, Shubert chokecherry, and
Sandcherry. Ten percent of the Shubert buds grew, but the others failed. In
a later trial with Nanking and sour cherry, only two percent of the buds
were successful, and growth was weak.

P.padus - Sour cherry, Scout apricot, ad Assiniboine plum were budded on
bird cherry in 1936, but no buds grew. Shubert chokecherry buds were 97%
successful in 1948.

P.maackii - In 1942, 109 buds of P.serotina, P. tomentosa, P. triloba,
Wragg sour cherry, Grenville plum, cherry plum, apricot, and P. japonica
were placed on Amur cherry, but none grew.

P. tomentosa - Seedlings appeared promising for P.triloba, native plum, and
hybrids, such as Prairie almond and cherry plum. They were unsuited for
apricots and sandcherry.

P.japonica - Seedlings showed promise for sandcherry and cherry plum. They
were not suited to native plum, P.tomentosa, sour cherry, because the trees
were dwarfed and short lived.

P. dropmoreana - This seedling rootstock was promising for use with sour
cherry over a two year trial. Vigorous one year whips of Montmorency, North
Star, and Meteor were produced. Good results were also obtained with
P.fruiticosa. No incompatibilities were apparent, and no suckering was
observed. Other features of this stock were hardiness, vigor, uniformity,
and ease of budding."

> > [Original Message]
> > From: <>
> > To: North American Fruit Explorers <>;
> > Cc:
> > Date: 8/2/03 8:46:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] RE: Cherries
> >
> > Thanks Charles, it is very important to hear from someone with direct
> > experience! If you can spare the effort, I would be interested to know a
> > little more detail of what you tried and discovered, even if it is
> > negative.
> >
> > Round here we have, growing `wild', lots of Prunus serotina, Prunus
> > (mostly planted I think, ours are rather poor but I am trying to clean
> > up a bit) and what I suppose is Prunus virginiana rather than
> > although I am not completely sure on the latter. The Prunus nigra
> > by rootsprouts, hence its poor appearance, but I had not noticed this in
> > the others. Does anyone know of any effort in the past to cross these
> > cherries with other domestic Prunus?
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2 Aug, Charles Paradise wrote:
> > > Richard,
> > > I would spare you trying sweet cherry on wild black cherry.
> > > wild black cherry could be Prunus Serotina, the cherry furniture in
Pennsylvania is made from,
> > > perhaps we should call it the Wild Furniture Cherry and be more
certain which cherry we are
> > > referring to? Or perhaps you might be referring to Prunus
Virginiana, a more bushy form. In
> > > either case, I believe you will encounter severe incompatibilities
even though all these
> > > cherries appear to share the same 16 chromosomal count. Consider,
for example that your
> > > european cherries bear their fruit in clusters directly off the stem,
but the Prunuses Serotina
> > > and Virginiana bear their cherries on racemes. This makes the Sweet
and Sour european cherries
> > > and the Prunuses Serotina and Virginiana about as different from each
other as say, crab and
> > > lobster are from each other. Of course if it sounds like I detected
these cherry-differences
> > > early on and reasoned out their graft incompatibilities, think again,
because in my try-anything
> > > approach I grafted lots of sweet and sour cherries onto Prunus
Serotina, got takes that over the
> > > course of 12 months barely survived and finally languished. In my
case the thought usually
> > > follows the experience, rather than the other way around.
> > >
> > > What you might have compatibility with is grafting sour or sweet
european cherries onto the
> > > american species Prunus Pennsylvanica, which bears cherries in
clusters off the stem same as the
> > > european cherries do. The growing and underground spreading habit of
the Prunus Pennsylvanica
> > > might not be too promising for this work, though, and I have not
tried grafting anything onto
> > > Prunus Pennsylvanica. I think I got tired before I got to trying
that combination.
> > >
> > > Found a seedling Mulberry down the street and some are ripe this
morning...absolutely delicious,
> > > best ungrafted Mulberry I've tasted.
> > > Charlie Paradise
> > > zone 5 / Massachusetts / looking forward to NAFEX let's have dinner
on August 21 who will join
> > > me?
> >
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