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On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 11:38  AM, Thomas Olenio wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I get a kick out of these "organic" alternatives.
>
> What the heck is going to happen to soil PH when it is doused with 
> enough acid to kill grass and
> broad leafs in 24 hours?
>
> A chemical is a chemical whether it occurs naturally or is manmade.  
> There are benefits and risks
> to using all of them.
Yup. Proper organic management isn't a matter of just substituting 
something claiming to be "natural" every time you would otherwise use a 
synthetic; it's a system that among other things aims to reduce the use 
of all such inputs, using certain biologicals, botanicals, and other 
naturally occuring pesticides as a last resort, and not in cases where 
they are likely to cause more problems than they appear to solve.

> Anyone interested in enjoying a nice cup of all natural, organic 
> arsenic?

Forbidden for use in organic production for many years now; along with a 
number of other highly toxic naturally occuring substances.

> Do not be duped, or allow people to play some sort of "organic" trump 
> card on you.  Educate
> yourself and make informed decisions.  This is not a black and white 
> area.

Definitely agreed. Also, be careful;  the word "natural" on the label is 
effectively meaningless; and not everything that squeezed by the Federal 
standards and is still legally using the word "organic" is a great idea.

--Rivka

> del stubbs wrote:
>
> > There is a review of such a product in Northland Berry News called 
> > AllDown,
> > anyone familiar with it?
> > website    http://www.sumrset.com/new_herbibide.htm
> > Northland Berry News  http://www.berrynews.com
> > Del
> >
> > Del Stubbs  www.pinewoodforge.com  ag zone2/3