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["victoria l. caron" <vicaron@gis.net>]

Tom,
    Before I give my two cents worth on natural fencing, here's my opinion on 
the overall problem.
    Where do your father in law's rights come in? Here in NH and VT, ATV 
operators are obliged to have the land owner's written permission
on their person in order to ride his land unless they are traveling on club 
maintained trails. Our local Conservation Officers enforce this
law. I can't imagine letting anyone get away with cutting fences and 
destruction of private property. I have a horse pasture and I can't
imagine anyone even thinking they could take those kinds of liberties. Where 
does the law come in?
    If you decide to go with natural fencing, I would try hawthorn like Joe 
Boles suggested. It grows throughout the northeast but if you
can't find any you can probably get some from Richard Fahey up in NY. The 
thing that makes hawthorn perfect for you is that it is very
dense with two inch or longer thorns which do a great job of flattening 
tires. It can be cut back and transplanted so as to grow in more
quickly.
    To bad you can't call in the Marines or get a resident Troll under that 
bridge!
    Best of luck, .............Vic in NH zone 3.



Thomas Olenio wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I would like some "living fence" ideas, to keep out unwanted ATV's, ATC's
> and dirt bikes.
>
> The gap is about 50' wide, under a bridge, running east west, so there is
> plenty of sun except under the bridge.
>
> People with no respect for property cut the fence under the bridge
> regardless of there being cattle in the field, to get there fill of fun on
> their machines in the pasture, destroying the grass the cattle feed on,
> and presenting a legal injury problem.
>
> At first I liked poison ivy and those sorts of things, but that may be too
> cruel for even these people.
>
> Any suggestions on a very cruel, thornded, fast growing plant/shrub/cane
> that will (over time) fill the gap 50' on the south side, and grow under
> the bridge?
>
> I still like the poison ivy, poison oak, and poison sumac approach, but
> part of me says not to do it.  But i am sure there is no law against
> planting such things on your own property. (evil grin)
>
> Under the bridge is also a haven for kids doing drugs, and I want to kill
> that idea too.  There must be some good choices to make that a nasty place
> to pass through, or be in.
>
> Even thought of keeping a fresh dead skunk under there.
>
> Hardiness zone 6a, southwest Ontario, spring flooding, damp/dry all
> summer, full south sun, shaded under bridge structure.
>
> Cuttings appreciated!  (of nasty thorned plants [smile])  Father inlaw is
> getting tired of replacing the fence and chasing cattle at age 75.
> Thought I could help with a living fence to protect the strands of barbed
> wire that cover the gap and run over the water, keeping the cattle in and
> forming a river gate.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> --
> Thomas Olenio
> Ontario, Hardiness Zone 6a
>
>
>
>
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