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The Lippinzans were in Birmingham this year and I went to see the show. It's
my fourth trip to see them and I still enjoy as much as I did the first
time. I think this show winters in Florida.
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Today's Topics:
1. Lippizans (Karen Nesbitt)
2. Re: Lippizans (Jyaniro@aol.com)
3. Re: Lippizans (Hal Sikes)
4. Re: Lippizans (Trailriding-Texas)
5. Re: Lippizans (Hal Sikes)
6. Re: Lippizans (David Skofstad)
7. Socialization / Lippizans (Jorene Downs)
8. Re: Socialization / Lippizans (Tracy Helget)
9. Re: Socialization / Lippizans (Hal Sikes)
10. Re: Socialization / Lippizans (E.S.)
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:24:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Nesbitt <spanishequines@yahoo.com>
Subject: [MSAR] Lippizans
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Here you go, a link to the famous white horses!
http://www.lipizzaner.com/home.asp
I had the great pleasure of seeing Herrmanns Lippizaners when they were in?
my area years back.? I also had the wonderful pleasure of boarding at a
dressage barn and met some very nice people there that were stupendous
riders.? While I did not partake in show?dressage on?any performing level, I
had garnered many nice tips and compliments from the people there that I had
rode with with our Paso Finos and they were in awe of our little spanish
horses and how nicely trained they were.? Back then I was riding heavy trail
and got into endurance, competitive riding and was trainng a few trotters
for other people at the time.
?
I am not sure if the Temple Lippizan horses are still in Northern Illinois,
but it might be worth a look see for anyone in that area to visit them
there.
?
Herrmanns was a traveling show and a great rare opportunity to see these
beautiful stallions preform.? It is always so nice to see well trained
horses, especially stallions in number.? I wish I knew more of their secrets
to airs above the ground and other "battle" manuvuers!? So many things you
can teach the horse from just being on the ground!
Being that I raise gaited?spanish horses, I have a great love for all the
spanish breeds.
??????? Karen
?
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Nesbitt <spanishequines@yahoo.com>
Subject: [MSAR] Pat Parelli and more
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:34:22 -0400
From: "Lila Corey" <Caballera@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Mounting and getting more from your horse.
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Parelli Natural Horsemanship has been teaching these things for years.???His
program is a good one for seasoned as well as new riders and horses.? In
level 1 of their training, everything is done from both sides, amazing Karen
how many horses don't ever get that type training.? I am almost finished
with Level 2 PNH with my horses and I teach my students the same methods -
whether they are MSAR or just trail? or show folks.?
Lila
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Thanks and congrats to you too?Lila.?
?
Pat Parelli is another excellent example of superb horsemanship.? Another
notable trainer or should I say equine therapist is Linda Tellington Jones.?
Jones speciallizes in the Touch that Teaches.? The best?riders I know have
the softest invisible touch that means so much to their horses.? They are
the riders?use their reins as if they were threads!? People who ride
dressage have a great advantage in their training abilities.? You almost get
the impression the riders/trainers THINK it and the horse does it.?? Their
cues to the horse are invisible and all it has to do is with balance and
bodylanguage.? Horses are masters at reading body language!
?
If anyone ever gets the chance to see the Spanish Lippizaner
stallions?preform... this is the epidomy of training!
?
As ever,?ride safe.?
?
??????? Karen
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:30:11 -0400
From: "Lila Corey" <Caballera@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Pat Parelli and more
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I have been to see the Spanish horses and what a show it is to watch them.?
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? ? ? ? Parelli Natural Horsemanship has been teaching these things for
years.???His program is a good one for seasoned as well as new riders and
horses.? In level 1 of their training, everything is done from both sides,
amazing Karen how many horses don't ever get that type training.? I am
almost finished with Level 2 PNH with my horses and I teach my students the
same methods - whether they are MSAR or just trail? or show folks.?
? ? ? ? Lila
? ? ? ? ? ----- Original Message -----
? ? ? ? ? From: Karen Nesbitt
? ? ? ? ? To: MSAR
? ? ? ? ? Cc: RANCH MANAGER
? ? ? ? ? Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 3:43 PM
? ? ? ? ? Subject: [MSAR] Mounting and getting more from your horse.
? ? ? ? Message scrubbd due to space...
? ? ? ? Thanks and congrats to you too Lila.?
? ? ? ? Pat Parelli is another excellent example of superb horsemanship.?
Another notable trainer or should I say equine therapist is Linda Tellington
Jones.? Jones speciallizes in the Touch that Teaches.? The best riders I
know have the softest invisible touch that means so much to their horses.?
They are the riders use their reins as if they were threads!? People who
ride dressage have a great advantage in their training abilities.? You
almost get the impression the riders/trainers THINK it and the horse does
it.???Their cues to the horse are invisible and all it has to do is with
balance and bodylanguage.? Horses are masters at reading body language!
? ? ? ? If anyone ever gets the chance to see the Spanish Lippizaner
stallions preform... this is the epidomy of training!
? ? ? ? As ever, ride safe.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Karen
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:37:09 EDT
From: Jyaniro@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Pat Parelli and more
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KUDOS to these posts. Parelli was teaching back in the 80's when I was?
riding under a Major from Hungary
who taught dressage in princeton. Remember he thought highly of? Parelli.
I was taught that riding is an art and if practiced correctly will? show in
the harmony between horse and rider. This stimulates us all to? strive for
this ideal no mater what type of riding we do.
Karen, how lucky you were to see a live performance. That has been my dream
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:29:47 -0600
From: Una Smith <una.smith@att.net>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Pat Parelli and more
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You were in Princeton NJ in the 80's?? Small world, so was I.? I
badly wanted to join the equestrian team but my major involved an
excessive number of hours in class (labs) and I was a work study
student too.? My preparation for SAR was PU Outdoor Action trips.
??? Una
??? Princeton '87
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:15:52 EDT
From: Jyaniro@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Lippizans
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small world...they were in NJ back in the early 80's (I think). My friend
knew the Herrmann's...they were staying at a place in Columbus NJ. The
stallions were in portable stalls that my gelding would knock down.
My riding instructor at the time told me they were circus and not true
dressage. He said the horses were not good enough for the Spanish Riding
School. I saw them perform in PA.....Beautiful performance!! Saw them
several
times...even saw them practice a little...
Jane
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:08:36 -0700
From: "Hal Sikes" <halsikes@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Lippizans
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Your instructor shorted his\her statement as to them being "circus" and not
"true dressage" ----- and your "true dressage" horses CAN'T do what those
"circus" horses CAN do, which is why and how they were given the very
unflattering label of being "circus" horses. Kinda like, If you can't do
it, then criticize and put down those that can. Can they do Dressage too?
You Betchum Red Ryder.
The movements the Lippizans and Andelusians are able to perform are due to
their tremendous natural athletic abilities, and those awe inspiring feats
were developed and deployed for their original use as War Horses. Each
movement had either an offensive or defensive purpose. The 'airs above the
ground" Karen refers to was to defend against (or attack) soldiers
approaching the rider from the rear. The crouched back position with their
front raised at a 45 degree angle was to protect the rider from incoming
arrows as the horse worn a leather breast plate.
As to the Stallions being in portable stalls your Gelding would knock down,
that speaks directly to their character and training. Name me another breed
where you can have 20 or more Stallions on the same hitching post without
major problems.
Hal Sikes
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To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org<mailto:msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Lippizans
small world...they were in NJ back in the early 80's (I think). My friend
knew the Herrmann's...they were staying at a place in Columbus NJ. The
stallions were in portable stalls that my gelding would knock down.
My riding instructor at the time told me they were circus and not true
dressage. He said the horses were not good enough for the Spanish Riding
School. I saw them perform in PA.....Beautiful performance!! Saw them
several times...even saw them practice a little...
Jane
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:16:03 -0500
From: "Trailriding-Texas" <trlrider2@trailriding-texas.us>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Lippizans
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Sounds like your instructor was either jealous or embarrassed by the fact
that he/she could not train a horse that well! Sorry, couldn't resist!
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Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Lippizans
small world...they were in NJ back in the early 80's (I think). My friend
knew the Herrmann's...they were staying at a place in Columbus NJ. The
stallions were in portable stalls that my gelding would knock down.
My riding instructor at the time told me they were circus and not true
dressage. He said the horses were not good enough for the Spanish Riding
School. I saw them perform in PA.....Beautiful performance!! Saw them
several times...even saw them practice a little...
Jane
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:41:35 -0700
From: "Hal Sikes" <halsikes@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Lippizans
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My first response is waiting release from the Administrator......however, I
did leave out one other point in that one.
Your riding instructor was poorly informed on the history of both the
Lippizans and the Spanish Riding School. The Spanish Riding School was
founded on the basis of the very abilities and performance of the
Andalsuians ----- and that's the line that is a large part of the Lippizans
blood line.
Had it not been for the direct efforts of Gen. George Patton the Lippizans
would not have survived the end of WWII.
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Subject: Re: [MSAR] Lippizans
small world...they were in NJ back in the early 80's (I think). My friend
knew the Herrmann's...they were staying at a place in Columbus NJ. The
stallions were in portable stalls that my gelding would knock down.
My riding instructor at the time told me they were circus and not true
dressage. He said the horses were not good enough for the Spanish Riding
School. I saw them perform in PA.....Beautiful performance!! Saw them
several times...even saw them practice a little...
Jane
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:43:40 -0500
From: "David Skofstad" <dbs54neigh@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Lippizans
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Yes the Tempel (spelled like this) Lipizzans are still here. I live about
three miles from the farm. My daughters and I have worked their shows
doing different things like usher, ticket sales, etc. The best gig is
leading the brood mares. They always show off the latest crop of foals in
the show. It is a stitch to watch the babies running about as they more or
less stay with the moms , who are led around the arena.
Tempel Farms keep around 80 or so head and the shows run from June 17 to the
end of August. They try to be as faithful as possible to the Spanish Riding
School methods. The head trainer, Jochen Hippenstiel (not sure of that
spelling), is very serious about maintaining the Austrian standards in
breeding and training.
A group of Tempel Lipizzans appeared in the Inaugural Parade in January, as
they did for President Reagan in 1980.
http://www.tempelfarms.com/
David Skofstad
dbs54neigh@earthlink.net
"In that day there will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, "Holy to
the Lord."
Zechariah 14:20
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Nesbitt
To: msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: 6/11/2009 2:24:06 PM
Subject: [MSAR] Lippizans
Here you go, a link to the famous white horses!
http://www.lipizzaner.com/home.asp
I had the great pleasure of seeing Herrmanns Lippizaners when they were in
my area years back. I also had the wonderful pleasure of boarding at a
dressage barn and met some very nice people there that were stupendous
riders. While I did not partake in show dressage on any performing level, I
had garnered many nice tips and compliments from the people there that I had
rode with with our Paso Finos and they were in awe of our little spanish
horses and how nicely trained they were. Back then I was riding heavy trail
and got into endurance, competitive riding and was trainng a few trotters
for other people at the time.
I am not sure if the Temple Lippizan horses are still in Northern Illinois,
but it might be worth a look see for anyone in that area to visit them
there.
Herrmanns was a traveling show and a great rare opportunity to see these
beautiful stallions preform. It is always so nice to see well trained
horses, especially stallions in number. I wish I knew more of their secrets
to airs above the ground and other "battle" manuvuers! So many things you
can teach the horse from just being on the ground!
Being that I raise gaited spanish horses, I have a great love for all the
spanish breeds.
Karen
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2. Re: Pat Parelli and more (Lila Corey)
3. Re: Pat Parelli and more (Jyaniro@aol.com)
4. Re: Pat Parelli and more (Una Smith)
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Nesbitt <spanishequines@yahoo.com>
Subject: [MSAR] Pat Parelli and more
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:34:22 -0400
From: "Lila Corey" <Caballera@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Mounting and getting more from your horse.
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Parelli Natural Horsemanship has been teaching these things for years.???His
program is a good one for seasoned as well as new riders and horses.? In
level 1 of their training, everything is done from both sides, amazing Karen
how many horses don't ever get that type training.? I am almost finished
with Level 2 PNH with my horses and I teach my students the same methods -
whether they are MSAR or just trail? or show folks.?
Lila
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? From: Karen Nesbitt
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Thanks and congrats to you too?Lila.?
?
Pat Parelli is another excellent example of superb horsemanship.? Another
notable trainer or should I say equine therapist is Linda Tellington Jones.?
Jones speciallizes in the Touch that Teaches.? The best?riders I know have
the softest invisible touch that means so much to their horses.? They are
the riders?use their reins as if they were threads!? People who ride
dressage have a great advantage in their training abilities.? You almost get
the impression the riders/trainers THINK it and the horse does it.?? Their
cues to the horse are invisible and all it has to do is with balance and
bodylanguage.? Horses are masters at reading body language!
?
If anyone ever gets the chance to see the Spanish Lippizaner
stallions?preform... this is the epidomy of training!
?
As ever,?ride safe.?
?
??????? Karen
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:30:11 -0400
From: "Lila Corey" <Caballera@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Pat Parelli and more
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I have been to see the Spanish horses and what a show it is to watch them.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:34:22 -0400
From: "Lila Corey" <Caballera@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Mounting and getting more from your horse.
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Parelli Natural Horsemanship has been teaching these things for
years. His program is a good one for seasoned as well as new riders and
horses. In level 1 of their training, everything is done from both sides,
amazing Karen how many horses don't ever get that type training. I am
almost finished with Level 2 PNH with my horses and I teach my students the
same methods - whether they are MSAR or just trail or show folks.
Lila
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Nesbitt
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Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: [MSAR] Mounting and getting more from your horse.
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Thanks and congrats to you too Lila.
Pat Parelli is another excellent example of superb horsemanship.
Another notable trainer or should I say equine therapist is Linda Tellington
Jones. Jones speciallizes in the Touch that Teaches. The best riders I
know have the softest invisible touch that means so much to their horses.
They are the riders use their reins as if they were threads! People who
ride dressage have a great advantage in their training abilities. You
almost get the impression the riders/trainers THINK it and the horse does
it. Their cues to the horse are invisible and all it has to do is with
balance and bodylanguage. Horses are masters at reading body language!
If anyone ever gets the chance to see the Spanish Lippizaner
stallions preform... this is the epidomy of training!
As ever, ride safe.
Karen
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Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:37:09 EDT
From: Jyaniro@aol.com
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KUDOS to these posts. Parelli was teaching back in the 80's when I was
riding under a Major from Hungary
who taught dressage in princeton. Remember he thought highly of Parelli.
I was taught that riding is an art and if practiced correctly will show in
the harmony between horse and rider. This stimulates us all to strive for
this ideal no mater what type of riding we do.
Karen, how lucky you were to see a live performance. That has been my dream
to someday see that wonderful riding hall in spain!
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:29:47 -0600
From: Una Smith <una.smith@att.net>
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You were in Princeton NJ in the 80's? Small world, so was I. I
badly wanted to join the equestrian team but my major involved an
excessive number of hours in class (labs) and I was a work study
student too. My preparation for SAR was PU Outdoor Action trips.
Una
Princeton '87
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Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:49:47 -0700
From: "Jorene Downs" <Jorene@CEOates.com>
Subject: [MSAR] Socialization / Lippizans
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From: Hal Sikes
[?]
As to the Stallions being in portable stalls your Gelding would knock down,
that speaks directly to their character and training. Name me another breed
where you can have 20 or more Stallions on the same hitching post without
major problems.
==========
Socialization in a herd environment works wonders for encouraging the
disposition and ability to mix well with others for the vast majority of
horses, regardless of gender. While it helps to socialize the horse as a
youngster, this can also be accomplished with the more mature horse.
For example, mixing in the herd as a younger horse teaches manners,
particularly to studly colts (or even fillies) turned out with alpha mares
and the ?kid? learns what ?NO? means. Horses living in a less socialized
environment (for example, primarily stall life) ? or living with a human
handler not respected as herd boss - tend to be more vulnerable to having
unacceptable behavior. Where you can find a horse in dire need of manners
rehabilitation is when the youngster has been raised in an environment where
he or she is essentially taught there is no need to respect others in the
herd or the human handlers.
There are still QH breeders (primarily working stock, like prospects as
cutters, working cow horse, reiners, etc.) who run herds of colts together
until they are 2 or so, then start culling the least promising future riders
from the herd. Those uncut young stallions learn acceptable herd behavior in
the herd, and that carries over to mixing well with others in other
environments if that early experience is reinforced.
Obviously the well mannered horse is needed for MSAR, and good manners
includes mixing well with other horses. Since discussion veered off to
stallions, I?ll mention that since many folks don?t have well socialized and
well mannered stallions ? tend to keep them isolated, with little or no herd
interaction ? studs are commonly not considered good prospects for MSAR and
the MSAR organization may have a written rule prohibiting stallions. Humans
have created this situation of stallions being considered unreliable mixed
with others, and commonly that is now correct.
- - - - - -
Jorene Downs
SAR & CERT
Mounted SAR
www.ceoates.com/msar
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:52:32 -0700
From: "Tracy Helget" <helget@flynthyllsgypsy.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Socialization / Lippizans
To: Jorene@CEOates.com, "Mounted search and rescue"
<msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Gypsy Horses, or Coloured Cobs as they are known in England.
Tracy Helget
Flynt Hylls Gypsy Horses
www.flynthyllsgypsy.com
785-770-2053
Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a
game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and,
once it has done so, she will have to accept that her life will be
radically changed - Ralph Waldo Emerson
> From: Hal Sikes
> [???]
>
> As to the Stallions being in portable stalls your Gelding would knock
> down, that speaks directly to their character and training. Name me
> another breed where you can have 20 or more Stallions on the same hitching
> post without major problems.
>
> ==========
>
>
>
> Socialization in a herd environment works wonders for encouraging the
> disposition and ability to mix well with others for the vast majority of
> horses, regardless of gender. While it helps to socialize the horse as a
> youngster, this can also be accomplished with the more mature horse.
>
>
>
> For example, mixing in the herd as a younger horse teaches manners,
> particularly to studly colts (or even fillies) turned out with alpha mares
> and the ???kid??? learns what ???NO??? means. Horses living in a less
> socialized environment (for example, primarily stall life) ??? or living
> with a human handler not respected as herd boss - tend to be more
> vulnerable to having unacceptable behavior. Where you can find a horse in
> dire need of manners rehabilitation is when the youngster has been raised
> in an environment where he or she is essentially taught there is no need
> to respect others in the herd or the human handlers.
>
>
>
> There are still QH breeders (primarily working stock, like prospects as
> cutters, working cow horse, reiners, etc.) who run herds of colts together
> until they are 2 or so, then start culling the least promising future
> riders from the herd. Those uncut young stallions learn acceptable herd
> behavior in the herd, and that carries over to mixing well with others in
> other environments if that early experience is reinforced.
>
>
>
> Obviously the well mannered horse is needed for MSAR, and good manners
> includes mixing well with other horses. Since discussion veered off to
> stallions, I???ll mention that since many folks don???t have well
> socialized and well mannered stallions ??? tend to keep them isolated,
> with little or no herd interaction ??? studs are commonly not considered
> good prospects for MSAR and the MSAR organization may have a written rule
> prohibiting stallions. Humans have created this situation of stallions
> being considered unreliable mixed with others, and commonly that is now
> correct.
>
>
>
> - - - - - -
>
> Jorene Downs
>
> SAR & CERT
>
> Mounted SAR
>
> www.ceoates.com/msar
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> MSAR-Riders mailing list
> MSAR-Riders@lists.ibiblio.org
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/msar-riders
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:12:29 -0700
From: "Hal Sikes" <halsikes@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Socialization / Lippizans
To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I stand corrected and appreciate the info received.
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From: "Tracy Helget" <helget@flynthyllsgypsy.com>
To: <Jorene@CEOates.com>; "Mounted search and rescue"
<msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Socialization / Lippizans
Gypsy Horses, or Coloured Cobs as they are known in England.
Tracy Helget
Flynt Hylls Gypsy Horses
www.flynthyllsgypsy.com
785-770-2053
Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a
game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and,
once it has done so, she will have to accept that her life will be
radically changed - Ralph Waldo Emerson
> From: Hal Sikes
> [???]
>
> As to the Stallions being in portable stalls your Gelding would knock
> down, that speaks directly to their character and training. Name me
> another breed where you can have 20 or more Stallions on the same hitching
> post without major problems.
>
> ==========
>
>
>
> Socialization in a herd environment works wonders for encouraging the
> disposition and ability to mix well with others for the vast majority of
> horses, regardless of gender. While it helps to socialize the horse as a
> youngster, this can also be accomplished with the more mature horse.
>
>
>
> For example, mixing in the herd as a younger horse teaches manners,
> particularly to studly colts (or even fillies) turned out with alpha mares
> and the ??okid??? learns what ??oNO??? means. Horses living in a less
> socialized environment (for example, primarily stall life) ??" or living
> with a human handler not respected as herd boss - tend to be more
> vulnerable to having unacceptable behavior. Where you can find a horse in
> dire need of manners rehabilitation is when the youngster has been raised
> in an environment where he or she is essentially taught there is no need
> to respect others in the herd or the human handlers.
>
>
>
> There are still QH breeders (primarily working stock, like prospects as
> cutters, working cow horse, reiners, etc.) who run herds of colts together
> until they are 2 or so, then start culling the least promising future
> riders from the herd. Those uncut young stallions learn acceptable herd
> behavior in the herd, and that carries over to mixing well with others in
> other environments if that early experience is reinforced.
>
>
>
> Obviously the well mannered horse is needed for MSAR, and good manners
> includes mixing well with other horses. Since discussion veered off to
> stallions, I??Tll mention that since many folks don??Tt have well
> socialized and well mannered stallions ??" tend to keep them isolated,
> with little or no herd interaction ??" studs are commonly not considered
> good prospects for MSAR and the MSAR organization may have a written rule
> prohibiting stallions. Humans have created this situation of stallions
> being considered unreliable mixed with others, and commonly that is now
> correct.
>
>
>
> - - - - - -
>
> Jorene Downs
>
> SAR & CERT
>
> Mounted SAR
>
> www.ceoates.com/msar
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> MSAR-Riders mailing list
> MSAR-Riders@lists.ibiblio.org
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/msar-riders
>
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:17:05 -0700
From: "E.S." <ES212@QWEST.NET>
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Socialization / Lippizans
To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Will you all change the subject ? PLEASE let the Lippizans sleep....
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From: "Hal Sikes" <halsikes@hotmail.com>
To: "Mounted search and rescue" <msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Socialization / Lippizans
I stand corrected and appreciate the info received.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracy Helget" <helget@flynthyllsgypsy.com>
To: <Jorene@CEOates.com>; "Mounted search and rescue"
<msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MSAR] Socialization / Lippizans
Gypsy Horses, or Coloured Cobs as they are known in England.
Tracy Helget
Flynt Hylls Gypsy Horses
www.flynthyllsgypsy.com
785-770-2053
Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a
game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and,
once it has done so, she will have to accept that her life will be
radically changed - Ralph Waldo Emerson
> From: Hal Sikes
> [???]
>
> As to the Stallions being in portable stalls your Gelding would knock
> down, that speaks directly to their character and training. Name me
> another breed where you can have 20 or more Stallions on the same hitching
> post without major problems.
>
> ==========
>
>
>
> Socialization in a herd environment works wonders for encouraging the
> disposition and ability to mix well with others for the vast majority of
> horses, regardless of gender. While it helps to socialize the horse as a
> youngster, this can also be accomplished with the more mature horse.
>
>
>
> For example, mixing in the herd as a younger horse teaches manners,
> particularly to studly colts (or even fillies) turned out with alpha mares
> and the ??okid??? learns what ??oNO??? means. Horses living in a less
> socialized environment (for example, primarily stall life) ??" or living
> with a human handler not respected as herd boss - tend to be more
> vulnerable to having unacceptable behavior. Where you can find a horse in
> dire need of manners rehabilitation is when the youngster has been raised
> in an environment where he or she is essentially taught there is no need
> to respect others in the herd or the human handlers.
>
>
>
> There are still QH breeders (primarily working stock, like prospects as
> cutters, working cow horse, reiners, etc.) who run herds of colts together
> until they are 2 or so, then start culling the least promising future
> riders from the herd. Those uncut young stallions learn acceptable herd
> behavior in the herd, and that carries over to mixing well with others in
> other environments if that early experience is reinforced.
>
>
>
> Obviously the well mannered horse is needed for MSAR, and good manners
> includes mixing well with other horses. Since discussion veered off to
> stallions, I??Tll mention that since many folks don??Tt have well
> socialized and well mannered stallions ??" tend to keep them isolated,
> with little or no herd interaction ??" studs are commonly not considered
> good prospects for MSAR and the MSAR organization may have a written rule
> prohibiting stallions. Humans have created this situation of stallions
> being considered unreliable mixed with others, and commonly that is now
> correct.
>
>
>
> - - - - - -
>
> Jorene Downs
>
> SAR & CERT
>
> Mounted SAR
>
> www.ceoates.com/msar
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> MSAR-Riders mailing list
> MSAR-Riders@lists.ibiblio.org
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/msar-riders
>
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