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  • From: Mike Brabo <mdbrabo AT att.net>
  • To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Market-farming] clarification of use of "organic"
  • Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:28:05 -0500

Here's a grassroots inexpensive way of certification:
http://www.naturallygrown.org/
Over 800 farms and apiaries now certified here in the U.S.
Regards,
Mike
Vesterbrook Farm - Certified Naturally Grown
Clarksville, Missouri - Mississippi River Bluffs, Zone 6






On Sep 10, 2011, at 8:29 AM, sals3 wrote:

> if you need certification for you customers or market or store . u need it.
> if you don't and your customers are happy good. IMHO I don't think it is
> wise to mix organic and non growing. chemicals kill life in the soil .
> organic counts on soil life . feed the soil not the plant. so your
> fighting against your self if you do both. if you kill gophers with bait
> you kill snakes and barn owls and everything that kills gophers and you end
> up on the chemical treadmill. IMHO as a organic grower every thing
> chemical
> kills all natures good work. I like being organic . a lot of my friends
> like using chemicals and they got it down and we organic growers have down
> also. no day its easy to stay organic 100 per cent., so if you cheating
> your cheating yourself.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vern and Amy" <vaspencer AT sisna.com>
> To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 4:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] clarification of use of "organic"
>
>
>> I agree that bad guys will eventually get caught and pay the
>> consequences. (If not in this life, then in the life to come if they
>> don't change their ways.)
>>
>> I appreciate your level-headed reasoning, as always. However, I know
>> what I know. Maybe the certifying agency is falling down. Maybe people
>> are cheating. Maybe the rules are too lax in some areas.
>>
>> An organic grower told me that they can buy conventional if they
>> document that what they want to buy is not available or is too expensive
>> organically.
>>
>> I have seen organic growers reselling conventional starts at a
>> farmers-only market. They even displayed the original grower's
>> literature on how to grow at their stand! Somehow, though, they are
>> able to avoid the complicated scenario you envisioned. They don't sell
>> organic starts.
>>
>> I ran into another organic grower buying conventional gopher bait at the
>> store. He said it wasn't for his field, and I have no reason to believe
>> otherwise, but it shouldn't be that hard to pay cash, hide it in an
>> obscure place and not record it if he wanted to.
>>
>> I can see that the record-keeping can help you run a better farm, and we
>> are working that direction. I'm not ready to pay an inspector to drive
>> 150 miles one way to make sure I am keeping really good records, though.
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> Vern
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