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  • From: dguthrie AT egyptian.net
  • To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Vetting Local Producers
  • Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:16:57 +0000

Exactly!
Wall street journal today has article on good fats in humans (brown) vs bad
(white) worth a look. Drs are now mentioning these distinctions. D Guthrie
Illinois
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-----Original Message-----
From: "beverly henkel" <bchenkel AT conpoint.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:06:07
To: Market Farming<market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Vetting Local Producers

I am late on this discussion but I sat around the USDA table when the
grass-fed label was discussed. Their original standard was 85% grass fed.
Those around the table from all over the US said NO - 99-100%. The grains,
as I understand it, that are the problem are the starchy grains - where I
live that is corn that is fed to 'finish' cattle, sheep and buffalo.

But the research at Utah State University by Dr. Tilak Dhiman clearly shows
that starchy grain at any time increases the omega 6 tremendously. Infact,
if corn is fed and then the animal is returned to pasture only, the ratio
does not return to the healthy level it was before corn. Have your meat
tested by a Nutritional lab and then you can tell the customer the results
of the fatty acid test and your Omega 6:3 ratio. Our Omega 6:3 ratio for
beef was 1:1 and our lamb 1/2:1.

Omega 3 is the healthy fat and Omega 6 the unhealthy. The ratrio of one to
the other is the key. That is why we are being told to not eat red meat
and to increase the fish in our diet.

However, if you eat ruminants only raised on pasture you have healthy meat.
You just have to cook it differently. Slow and low - but that is another
discussion.

Thank you.

Bev. Henkel
Tucker Hill Farm
Norfolk,NE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garth & Kim Travis" <gartht AT txcyber.com>
To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Vetting Local Producers


> Greetings,
> I do believe the problem comes from how you define grain? We are 100%
> forage based, and no, I never do need to feed 'grain'. I do feed
> alfalfa pellets, if needed and as treats for training. I sprout my
> grains before feeding when needed. My animals have never had bloat from
> my rich pastures, I have been raising cattle this way for 12 years now,
> sheep for 6. And yes, it is a question I ask, and yes I want a black
> and white answer, no grain means just that. I won't accept any grain in
> a ruminant I plan on eating, it is not needed.
>
> Any grain at all changes the flora in the intestine, so I do believe
> they are correct.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Garth & Kim Travis
> www.TheRoseColoredForest.com
> Bedias, Texas
>
> KAKerby AT aol.com wrote:
>> I guess I'd toss my hat into the ring of "well intentioned but
>> disconnected", in the context that they're asking reasonable questions
>> but painting black and white answers in a very diversified spectrum of
>> possibilities. The animal questions stood out to me as being the
>> greatest example of that. The comment about "no grain, ever" could be
>> straight out of the Weston A Price literature, which is nice and well
>> intended. But if you've got high producing animals, even on rich
>> pasture they sometimes need at least some grain or supplementation to
>> maintain body condition. Leave them on insufficiently rich pasture
>> alone (which can fluctuate by the hour and/or with cloudcover) and they
>> can go into metabolic imbalance which can become life threatening. Put
>> them on super-rich pasture so they don't need the grain, and they risk
>> bloat and grass tetany. Sometimes, that grain ration can keep an animal
>> balanced very nicely at a very healthy condition. But that document
>> doesn't allow for a mix of grains; it assumes grass pasture or
>> feedlot-style massive amounts of grain. No middle ground.
>>
>>
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