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  • From: maureen bostock <maureenbostock AT hotmail.com>
  • To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Salt Buildup in Hoophouses
  • Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:49:22 -0800

I would like to hear more about salt buildups as a result of the compost used.
Which materials in compost would cause this?
Maureen Bostock
Sweet Meadow Farm

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> 1. Re: purchased transplants: price per flat (Robert Schuler)
> 2. Re: organic standards for cleaning out conventional boom
> sprayer (Steve Diver)
> 3. Re: Wheel hoes and Lie-down weeders (Richard Stewart)
> 4. Re: purchased transplants: price per flat (Steve Bridges)
> 5. Re: purchased transplants: price per flat (Allan Balliett)
> 6. Johnny's (Andrew R. King)
> 7. Re: Johnny's (Fellenz)
> 8. Re: Johnny's (Richard Stewart)
> 9. Re: Johnny's (SaladG AT aol.com)
> 10. Re: Johnny's (cjmaness AT juno.com)
> 11. Re: Johnny's (Home Grown Kansas!)
> 12. Re: Salt Buildup in hoophouse soil (Suzi Bernhard)
> 13. Re: Salt build-up in hoophouse soil (Upson, Steve)
> 14. Re: Sun Gro Organic mixes (Rosie Creek Farm)
> 15. Re: Market-farming Digest, Vol 60, Issue 27 RE :Corn Gluten
> (Mark Abner)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:36:11 -0600 (CST)
> From: Robert Schuler <sunnfarm AT verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] purchased transplants: price per flat
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I started out growing transplants years ago and its still a great way for new comers to start up in the greenhouse business. Today I sell a very limited quantity of farm type transplants in 50 TLC trays. I get $7.00 a tray for hybrid tomatoes peppers eggplants, in quantities of at least 10 trays. Most of what I sell are left overs that I did not plant in my field... Bob.
>
>
> Does anyone on this list grow transplants (by the flat) for other farms or have you bought transplants (by the flat) from nearby growers? I am wondering what prices are typically charged. Thanks much.
>
> Also, does anyone know a source (dealer) for Nibex precision seeders? I can't seem to find anything on-line by Googling.
>
> -John
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:09:42 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
> From: Steve Diver <steved AT ipa.net>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] organic standards for cleaning out
> conventional boom sprayer
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:31:12 -0500
> From: Richard Stewart <rstewart AT zoomtown.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Wheel hoes and Lie-down weeders
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <C9D66844-9A79-4A3D-831D-87964C92D2B9 AT zoomtown.com>
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> Here is a better look of the wheel hoe I was rebuilding.
>
> This is from yesterday with the metal stripped and repainted and the
> wood oiled.
>
> http://gallery.mac.com/thesw0rdofroland/100084/IMG_2592/web.jpg
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> Richard Stewart
> Carriage House Farm
> North Bend, Ohio
>
> An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855
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> (513) 967-1106
> http://www.carriagehousefarmllc.com
> rstewart AT zoomtown.com
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:57:45 -0600
> From: "Steve Bridges" <steve AT texasgrown.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] purchased transplants: price per flat
> To: "'Market Farming'" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <004401c8740b$a0dcb420$e2961c60$@com>
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> Speedling grows great transplants. Last year they provided me with beautiful
> tomato and pepper plants for $0.04,,,that's four cents per plant!
>
> See http://www.speedling.com/products/vegetables/
>
> ~~~~~
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN A
> HENDRICKSON
> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 3:48 PM
> To: Market Farming
> Subject: [Market-farming] purchased transplants: price per flat
>
> Does anyone on this list grow transplants (by the flat) for other farms or
> have you bought transplants (by the flat) from nearby growers? I am
> wondering what prices are typically charged. Thanks much.
>
> Also, does anyone know a source (dealer) for Nibex precision seeders? I
> can't seem to find anything on-line by Googling.
>
> -John
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:20:25 -0500
> From: Allan Balliett <aballiett AT frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] purchased transplants: price per flat
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Steve - Please put your location on all of your posts.
>
> Does Speedling ship nationally or only within the states mentioned on
> the webpage?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Allan Balliett
> Shepherdstown, WV
>
> >Speedling grows great transplants. Last year they provided me with beautiful
> >tomato and pepper plants for $0.04,,,that's four cents per plant!
> >
> >See http://www.speedling.com/products/vegetables/
> >
> >~~~~~
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >[mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN A
> >HENDRICKSON
> >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 3:48 PM
> >To: Market Farming
> >Subject: [Market-farming] purchased transplants: price per flat
> >
> >Does anyone on this list grow transplants (by the flat) for other farms or
> >have you bought transplants (by the flat) from nearby growers? I am
> >wondering what prices are typically charged. Thanks much.
> >
> >Also, does anyone know a source (dealer) for Nibex precision seeders? I
> >can't seem to find anything on-line by Googling.
> >
> >-John
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:09:07 -0500
> From: "Andrew R. King" <andrew.king2 AT worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: [Market-farming] Johnny's
> To: "'Market Farming'" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> For the past seven years I have purchased a large percentage of my seeds
> from Johnny's. Each year up to now their service and products have been
> great. This year is a different story. A number of items that I purchased
> had low germination rates and one item was mislabeled. I have sent them
> emails but have not received a response. Is this an isolate situation or
> have any of you seen a change in Johnny's service?
>
> Andy King
> Sunflower King's Farm
> http://www.sunflowerkingsfarm.com/
> PA Zone 6
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:09:24 -0500
> From: Fellenz <fellenz AT fltg.net>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Johnny's
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I haven't had any issues with my orders so far this season.
>
> Andy
> www.FellenzFamilyFarm.com
>
> Andrew R. King wrote:
> > For the past seven years I have purchased a large percentage of my seeds
> > from Johnny's. Each year up to now their service and products have been
> > great. This year is a different story. A number of items that I purchased
> > had low germination rates and one item was mislabeled. I have sent them
> > emails but have not received a response. Is this an isolate situation or
> > have any of you seen a change in Johnny's service?
> >
> > Andy King
> > Sunflower King's Farm
> > http://www.sunflowerkingsfarm.com/
> > PA Zone 6
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:12:04 -0500
> From: Richard Stewart <rstewart AT zoomtown.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Johnny's
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <ED16D049-7E2A-471B-8550-D346B96EFB07 AT zoomtown.com>
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> So far all my Johnny's seeds have germinated well (spinach, onions,
> lettuce). He few tomato seeds I have planted are all booming right
> along (all of these seeds are a mix a hybrid, heirloom, and organic).
>
> Communications has been excellent. They have always let me know if
> an order is split shipping or backordered. I was notified just
> recently via mail and email that a 250 cuc seeds were out of balance
> in terms of pollinating and I received a new packet of seeds to
> replace (or add to) the existing one.
>
> To date, nothing has been mislabeled.
>
> My orders have been spread out between the second week in January and
> the first week in Feb. I do not have all my seeds yet because some
> ship at later dates. Like Horseradish.
>
> You say you have emailed them, but have you called? I always call so
> I can get a name and number...
>
> Emails are often times too casual, often overlooked, and,
> unfortunately, get you less in terms of customer service, be it a
> national bank, the government, or a seed company.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Richard Stewart
> Carriage House Farm
> North Bend, Ohio
>
> An Ohio Century Farm Est. 1855
>
> (513) 967-1106
> http://www.carriagehousefarmllc.com
> rstewart AT zoomtown.com
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Andrew R. King wrote:
>
> > For the past seven years I have purchased a large percentage of my
> > seeds
> > from Johnny's. Each year up to now their service and products have
> > been
> > great. This year is a different story. A number of items that I
> > purchased
> > had low germination rates and one item was mislabeled. I have sent
> > them
> > emails but have not received a response. Is this an isolate
> > situation or
> > have any of you seen a change in Johnny's service?
> >
> > Andy King
> > Sunflower King's Farm
> > http://www.sunflowerkingsfarm.com/
> > PA Zone 6
> >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:23:37 EST
> From: SaladG AT aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Johnny's
> To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> I've had nothing but good service from Johnny's and talked to them yesterday
> with my order and adding to it, they went over board to find the person that
> was filling my order and did some adding and subtracting from the original
> order.
>
> We have used them for many years and have had very little problems, and any
> problems we had they were great in getting them resolved. We probably get 70%
> from them and seed has always been very good germ. We order all of our fall
> planting seeds from them for the hoophouses and have been good germs on them.
> Fall orders with some companies have not been very good at all.
>
> I will always recommend Johnny's.
>
> Phil form Iowa
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:46:00 GMT
> From: "cjmaness AT juno.com" <cjmaness AT juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Johnny's
> To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> We've had the same great service we always get with Johnny's. I ordered some lettuce seed and it had less germ. than recommended so they sent me nearly double the amount I originally ordered to compensate.
> Rupp is a different story. The seed trickles in with them. Broccoli seed arrived weeks after I needed it. Luckily I had enough left from last fall to get us started.
> Carla
> Maness Farm
> Perkins, OK
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:06:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Home Grown Kansas! <hgkansas AT sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Johnny's
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I once had a problem with a Johnny's order. Same sort of problem - wrong seed in a pack or mis-labeled. There was a germination problem also. This was several years back. Johnny's did all they could to compensate me for the problem. They are a good company that stands behind their products. Things happen - you just hope they don't happen more than once.
>
> Elzie
> Wichita, Kansas
>
> "cjmaness AT juno.com" <cjmaness AT juno.com> wrote:
> We've had the same great service we always get with Johnny's. I ordered some lettuce seed and it had less germ. than recommended so they sent me nearly double the amount I originally ordered to compensate.
> Rupp is a different story. The seed trickles in with them. Broccoli seed arrived weeks after I needed it. Luckily I had enough left from last fall to get us started.
> Carla
> Maness Farm
> Perkins, OK
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:14:43 -0600
> From: "Suzi Bernhard" <ssb005 AT gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Salt Buildup in hoophouse soil
> To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> Greg,
> Your salt buildup is likely from a high salt content in your compost.
> It is really important to get your compost analyzed before you put it
> on, because things like salt buildup can happen really easy. Compost
> usually has high salt content, especially if you use certain residues
> etc.
> Suzi
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:08:39 -0600
> From: "Upson, Steve" <sdupson AT noble.org>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Salt build-up in hoophouse soil
> To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <8994836520E0114AA93614449ABDC14D0174F1D5 AT MAIL1.noble.org>
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> Greg, the attached article should help:
> http://www.noble.org/Ag/Horticulture/Salinity/index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Greg York
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:21 AM
> To: Market Farming
> Subject: [Market-farming] Salt build-up in hoophouse soil
>
> Has anyone on the list had problems with excessive salt build up in
> organically managed hoophouse soils? We have been growing in our four
> hoophouses for three years, and are seeing very high sodium ppm in our
> soil analyses for each house this year. The only amendment we have
> added is compost over the three years. Any suggestions on how to
> address this from your experience? Thanks.
>
> Greg
> Thanksgiving Farm
> Zone 5b, NY
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:30:03 -0900
> From: Rosie Creek Farm <rosie-ck AT mosquitonet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Sun Gro Organic mixes
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Fellenz wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Anyone have experience with any of the Sun Gro OMRI approved mixes for
> > starting plants in the greenhouse? It looks like pricing will be better
> > on the peat based mix from Sun Gro compared to a compost mix from
> > Vermont Compost, I am curious as to how well they perform for vegetable
> > starts. If it matters, I am located in Central/Western NY.
> >
> > Andy
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> We've used the Sun-gro organic mixes for the last 4 years. I think
> they're just fine and they are cost-effective for us to ship - way up
> here in Alaska. We usually have to order them by the pallet (30 bales)
> and a number of growers up here go in on an order together. The major
> greenhouse suppliers all order from sungro so piggybacking another item
> on their lists isn't too bad. It ends up costing us ~$32 per bale after
> shipping. I've looked into other mixes that might be better but, in the
> end, I can't afford them. A couple of our growers thought they had
> problems with diseases in one or 2 bales, but I've never had a problem.
>
> Mike Emers
> Rosie Creek Farm
> Certified Organic
> Ester, Alaska
> Zone 1
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:19:43 -0500
> From: "Mark Abner" <wizard1 AT ctsbroadband.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Market-farming Digest, Vol 60, Issue 27
> RE :Corn Gluten
> To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <GCEFKCEMBDDEJMCLFHDLEEIKDAAA.wizard1 AT ctsbroadband.com>
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> go to the feed mill corn gluten is $8.50 per hundred pound bag
>
>
> Mark one 6b
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:market-farming-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of
> Huntingfool306 AT aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:26 AM
> To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Market-farming Digest, Vol 60,Issue 27 RE
> :Corn Gluten
>
>
> Hi I was just thinking about using corn gluten myself Fedco sells corn
> gluten it is 45$ for 50 pounds. 2000 pounds is 1600$.The application rate is
> 20 pounds per hundred square feet close to the time of weed germination .
>
> Moderator I hope this is ok if not feel free to edit
>
> Quoting the Fedco catalog " Corn Gluten (10% N) Works as a pre-emergent
> weeds like dandelions,pigweed,and crabgrass by inhibiting root formation.
> Not recommended for use on existing weeds as the thigh nitrogen content
> makes it very effective fertilizer for leaf growth. Moisture is necessary
> for activation but too much moisture reduces effectiveness. Can be used in
> gardens for weed control once the desired plants are well established
> seedlings. A good practice would be manual cultivation followed by an
> application of corn gluten."
>
> I know when it is used on lawns to kill broadleaf weds it takes a few
> years to fully control them. Hope this helps.
>
> Ted and Sue
> Catskill Organics Farm
> Davenport NY zone 4/5
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