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  • From: paul@oneseedling.com
  • To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] TWO AGRICULTURES, NOT ONE, By John Michael Greer
  • Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:13:55 -0500

Sustainable agriculture only works if what is grown there is consumed there and "waste" is recycled there. Once nutrients leave the farm they must be replaced from other sources. 
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On Sep 29, 2010, at 11:40 PM, Mike <mike.lists@mlxvi.org> wrote:

I absolutely agree. We do the same here. I was more making the point about harvesting organic matter, that was grown specially for the purpose, as a growing system.

As for the shovel or hoe? What a different world we would live in if the non-renewable resources had been used to create a renewable (sustainable) world. If our oil had been used to create shovels or other technology that could thereafter be used with the energy from the field. Instead we used our oil and steel to create a world that consumes oil.

So back to the waste organic matter. It is here and now. But we have pretty much agreed that it is not going to be available forever. The question is, then, how can we use this non-forever resource to create a forever system. We absolute must use it. Otherwise it is like letting the oil gush into the sea. And in all probability, just as polluting.

I don't have an answer, just the question.

Mike

Tradingpost wrote:
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Sustainability is not the only consideration. I strongly urge recycling whatever organic waste we can use for growing. The fact that it may not be around at some time in the future is beside the point. It's here now and we can make good use of it or do less without it.

You can take that argument to its logical conclusion and figure that if the resources to make the tiller or shovel or hoe didn't come from the selfsame plot then it's not sustainable. 

paul tradingpost@lobo.net


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On 9/26/2010 at 2:43 PM Mike wrote:


  
If you have to do anything extra to the extensive area, even 
periodically, that is not actually supplied by that area, then it is 
simply not sustainable. 
    

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