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  • From: Healing Hawk <healinghawk@earthlink.net>
  • To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Peak Oil is History
  • Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 01:37:09 -0400 (EDT)

Yes, we're all going to face the same future. Some of us will face it in a
different manner.
The political stuff that goes at a fairly advanced stage of Transition is not
so much activism as it is directing our public servants to serve us.
We pretty much missed our chance to mitigate either Peak Oil or climate
change, and the massive transfer of wealth upward now occurring must have
been part of a coup as the government can't seem to stop it. $27 trillion,
so far, and they won't let the tax cuts expire.
As I see it, all we can do is evolve into a culture that knows how to find
meaning and sustenance living within nature's patterns and let those who
don't go extinct.
Richard Heinberg told us in 2001 that perhaps 2 billion humans are
ecologically supported in a world missing cheap oil. That's a lot of
extinction, with only 1 out of 3 people now living supported by what
capitalism has left of the planetary life support system.
Evolution means moving into ecological integrity, something western culture
hasn't thought about since the Agricultural Revolution, which is why we're at
this point now.

Smiles.
Tommy


-----Original Message-----
>From: Tradingpost <tradingpost@lobo.net>
>Sent: Sep 4, 2010 12:24 AM
>To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
>Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Peak Oil is History
>
>
>As I mentioned to Ed at the market today, I can't agree or support
>everything I pass on about the near term - but I strongly believe people
>have a right to hear all sides of these controversies. And whether we get
>our media news from left or right or in between it's still all the same side
>and still in denial. We're trying to see the big picture here.
>
>It's been said that the perfect storm (simultaneous and irreversible
>economic contraction, resource depletion, climate change) coming is not a
>problem to be solved but a sea change to adapt to. In this view political
>activism is energy going into a black hole going nowhere. Also in this view
>Transition can only work with some who are able and motivated to Transition
>to more low tech ways of living and providing for the necessities of life.
>
>paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>
>Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes.
>--Henry David Thoreau
>
>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
>On 9/3/2010 at 11:07 AM Healing Hawk wrote:
>
>>Orlov has had it dead on for years, and pulls no punches. Good stuff,
>>although I would hope that we (the minority who are in the process of
>>preparing for massive culture change)will become more effective in our
>>outreach and awareness raising.
>>
>>Transition builds community between people and their government(s)so the
>>people hold the political power to direct government, as plutocrats have
>>been used to doing in the US. I'm not sure anyone expects to displace the
>>plutocrats, but governments will serve the people as they serve the
>>plutocrats. Plutocrats are less than 1% of the US population, yet they
>>rule through directing government to do their bidding. When Transition
>>reaches 1%, we'll do the same. So Transition isn't gloom and doom. It
>>recognizes that some people are too damaged to have the resilience to
>>change, and we'll bury them, just up the road, but, at the same time,
>>cultural evolution is (however slowly) occurring, and those of us who
>>survive are not only healing but gaining social and political
>>sophistication, as well.
>>
>>Thanks for this quote.
>>
>>Smiles.
>>Tommy
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Tradingpost <tradingpost@lobo.net>
>>>Sent: Sep 2, 2010 11:17 PM
>>>To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
>>>Subject: [Livingontheland] Peak Oil is History
>>>
>>>
>>>Peak Oil is History
>>>by Dmitry Orlov 01 September 2010
>>>http://www.culturechange.org/cms/content/view/674/1/
>>> ... It should be expected that the vast majority of people will have
>>done nothing to prepare, remaining quite unaware of the fact that this is
>>something they should have been doing. Quite a few people can be expected
>>to take a few small steps in a sensible direction, such as installing a
>>wood stove, or insulating their home, or in a seemingly sensible but
>>ultimately unhelpful direction, such as wasting their money on a new
>>hybrid car or wasting their energies on trying to form a new political
>>party or to lobby one of the existing ones. Some will buy a homestead,
>>equip it for life off the grid, start growing all their own food (perhaps
>>transporting their perishable surplus to a nearby farmer's market by cargo
>>bicycle or by boat), and home-school their children, putting an emphasis
>>on the classics and on agriculture, animal husbandry and other perennially
>>useful knowledge. Some will flee to a place where transportation fuels are
>>scarce already, and where a moped is consider
>> e
>>> d a labor-saving device -- for your donkey or camel.
>>>
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>
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