Healthy soil and sustainable growing

["John D'hondt" <dhondt@eircom.net>]

I have been looking for a few years now how to get something like this 
started here on our farm in Ireland and found only a void.
One man complained about black soldier flies in a compost heap some 400 
miles from where I am but he put lime on them to get rid of them and that 
was that.
john

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From: <paul@oneseedling.com>
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Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Black Soldier Flys


I have one of the commercial size BioPods for raising BSF and am using a
combination of vegetable scraps and pig manure. I think that using human
manure could be done but worry somewhat about cross comtamination even
though the BSF is not particularly bothersome as in the common house fly.
Since starting to raise BSF larve I have noticed a dramatic decrease in
the common house fly. Paul the Skeptic

> I did a bit of googling on these critters in Colombia and it turns out a
> couple of the major universities and at least one biotech firm are working
> with them. As the biotech is in Bogota at +/- 2600 meters they could be a
> really good source of information. Two of the the universities are here in
> Medellin.
>
> Has anyone seen data on using this species for human wastes. Some of the
> sites I have seen so far hint at it. One mentions the use of a urine
> diverting mechanism. I don't know it they were referring to a human or
> livestock loop.  It seems that one would want to be very careful using the
> larvae produce in this manner as part of a human food cycle. Sounds like
> there would be a potential for the transmission of bacteria and virus in
> say a human-soldier fly-chicken-human loop.
>
> Phil
> Piedras Blancas/Medellin
> ---- CHERYL WESOLOWSKI <mullski1@msn.com> wrote:
> > Don't know if it legal but it is very effective, use a privy and feed
> > the human waste to black soldier flies.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.esrint.com/pages/bioconversion.html
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:10:50 -0700
> > > From: pbunch@cox.net
> > > To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] sewage systems
> > >
> > > What kinds, if any, of problems can develop with odors?
> > >
> > >
> > > ---- Ken Hargesheimer <minifarms2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > The water leaving the system is drinkable.  No problem.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 6/9/10, pbunch@cox.net <pbunch@cox.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: pbunch@cox.net <pbunch@cox.net>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] sewage systems
> > > > To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing"
> > <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:34 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We need to expand our treatment system to accommodate people who
> > will be visiting our place.  My wife is getting ready to rent rooms
> > as part of a tourism project and and we will need to add capacity
> > for about 6 to 8 people (initially sporadic use but potentially full
> > time). Our subsoil drains slowly so a traditional drain field would
> > need to be rather large and importing the gravel would be difficult
> > as there is no road access. Also as we are located in a watershed
> > reserve with a major tourism component this is a sensitive issue.
> > .We don't want to pollute water that is critical to the city and we
> > can't afford to have odor problems due to both the guests and close
> > proximity of hikers, etc.
> > > >
> > > > I would be interested in hearing how others have solved these kinds
> > of issues.
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > > Medellin/Piedras Blancas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---- Emery Mitchamore <emitch@att.net> wrote:
> > > > > The EXPLANATION was over-simplistic, not the system.  I've heard
> > of it, I've googled it, I've seen pictures.  What I HAVE NOT seen
> > is an explanation of how it's done.  How does one determine the
> > size, materials, plants?  The plants must grow, so how do you
> > harvest them, and what do you do with them?  The growth medium
> > must need to be of a certain type and size to prevent clogging,
> > and I imagine that some combinations of "rock" and plants work
> > better than others.  Surely, if it's worth doing, it's worth doing
> > well, but I'd rather not have to invent this thing all by myself,
> > when it has already been done successfully.
> > > > >
> > > > > E. E. "Mitch" Mitchamore
> > > > > www.hillcountrynatives.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jun 8, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Joan Vibert wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Plants purify the water" is a bit over-simplistic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually its not â?oover-simplisticâ? at all.  Weâ?Tve had a
> > marsh (rock-plant-filter) system since 1994 that handles all of
> > our sewage on our farm.  We were the second system to go in in
> > Kansas and they used the information collected over several
> > years to write the regulations for the Kansas Department of
> > Health & Environment.  This required monthly testing for at
> > least two years as I recall.  It was amazing â?" the water at
> > the end of our marsh (its about 12â?T x 60â?T) was 99% pure
> > according to the testing lab.  Actually purer than our drinking
> > water Iâ?Tm sure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The same system should be used wherever possible for municipal
> > sewage treatment â?" its so simple and Iâ?Tm sure thatâ?Ts why
> > it doesnâ?Tt get considered â?" it just doesnâ?Tt cost enough
> > and cuts out lots of engineers expenses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joan Vibert
> > > > > > Windwalker Farm
> > > > > > Ottawa, Kansas
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