Healthy soil and sustainable growing

[Marty Kraft <martyk@allspecies.org>]

Can't see how anything can change when large corporations have so  
much power and are selfishly oriented.

Marty Kraft
On Nov 8, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Tradingpost wrote:

> True, Dan. Now events are proving that the original theme of  this  
> list was right all along - that the sanest and healthiest way to  
> eat is grow what you can from the healthiest soil and try to  
> encourage more local food where we live. I catch some of those same  
> political shows, but the mass media misses most of what we really  
> need on the individual and local level. Actually it's some of the  
> food shows that get into local, sustainable food production. I  
> think of the Manic Organic in Canada, and a few others. Very few.
>
> paul tradingpost@lobo.net
>
> The more you read and observe about this Politics thing, you got to  
> admit that each party is worse than the other.
>     Will Rogers
>
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>
> On 11/7/2009 at 5:52 PM Dan Conine wrote:
>
> > This debate is misnamed all the time: The government isn't trying  
> > to do
> > anything much with the health care in America, but with Health Care
> > FINANCING.
> >
> > There is no debate about making people healthy. It is only about
> > financing the ridiculous Faux Fountain of Youth.
> >
> > Just like the automobile: Everyone wants to find a way to replace the
> > gas-powered auto with electricity or hydrogen or some other fuel, but
> > very few are saying that we DON'T NEED CARS (at least most of the  
> > time)!
> >
> > We don't need a health care 'System': We need good food and good  
> > doctors
> > as a general rule. We don't need 'less government' or 'more  
> > government',
> > but we do need those services which are demanded by what we decide is
> > civilization.
> >
> > The 'less government' people have made it impossible for  
> > government to
> > work (by random 'cost cutting' measures), and the 'more government'
> > people have made it impossible for citizens to do the work (through
> > litigating everything).
> >
> > Meanwhile, those working IN government are getting paid a lot more  
> > money
> > and doing a lot less work (hiring contractors instead to do their
> > thinking for them and getting promotions to 'department managers'),
> > while those outside government can't afford the taxes OR the doctors
> > that should be working for the government(Of the People) by now.
> >
> > I just got back from a trip to Wash. D.C. and my old military  
> > boondoggle
> > stomping grounds, so I apologize for my cynicism.
> >
> > Everyone is full of crap and Rome is smoking.
> >
> > Dan C.
> > Nature Creek Farm
> >
> > > From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
> > > Subject: [Livingontheland] We Can't Reform Health Care without
> > >         Reforming Food
> > > To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Message-ID: <200910290705220723.0CF091F1@mail.lobo.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> > >
> > >
> > > We Can't Reform Health Care without Reforming Food
> > > October 28, 2009 05:45 PM
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/we-cant-reform-health- 
> > car_b_337615.html
> > > If and when health care reform finally passes, we will have  
> > > successfully
> > ameliorated only half of the crisis. The treatment half. The next  
> > step has
> > to be focused upon doing something about the poisoned filth we've
> > collectively nicknamed "food." Without any real changes in how our  
> > food is
> > produced, the health care system will continue to bloat and fall  
> > apart.
> > Not unlike the insides of an average American body.
> > > Corporate agribusiness has invested nearly $1.2 billion (and  
> > > growing) on
> > lobbyists -- more money than even the defense lobby. Naturally,  
> > much of
> > this lobbying has been aimed at deregulating how food is processed  
> > and
> > manufactured, as well as how corporate agribusinesses raise and  
> > process
> > livestock. It's an industry that's entangled in everything from Big
> > Tobacco to human trafficking and illegal immigration.
> > > Most recently, and speaking of poisoned filth, you may have  
> > > watched as
> > Rick Berman was eviscerated by Rachel Maddow on MSNBC a few weeks  
> > ago. In
> > case you missed it, Berman's Center for Consumer Freedom is  
> > financed by
> > corporate agribusiness, among others, and tasked with deceiving  
> > the public
> > about everything from high fructose corn syrup to transfat,  
> > mercury levels
> > in fish, obesity issues, food labels, and tobacco laws. CCF is all  
> > about
> > confusing the public by muddying scientific fact and skewing the  
> > debate
> > onto ridiculous tangents to the point where it's difficult to tell  
> > the
> > difference between what's healthy and what's crap. It's Glenn  
> > Beck's rodeo
> > clown strategy applied to food.
> > > The consequence for you and me, of course, is that the food is  
> > > becoming
> > increasingly toxic, both in terms of what goes into our bodies,  
> > and in
> > terms of how deregulation and deception is hurting the economy.  
> > What good
> > is health care reform if we're still being fed poison? What good  
> > is an
> > economic recovery if big business is still gaming the system?
> >
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