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  • From: "Lawren Pulse" <lawren@procast.com>
  • To: <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: [Livingontheland] Go Fofa
  • Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:27:50 -0700

Hi ken,
Hi Ken,
I am interested in helping. I think there are some other organizations out
there too that could be included- I think a consolidation of resources in
this area would be helpful. Can you send me your email address so we can
start a consortium of interested parties. Anyone else interested in
building a FOFA effort on campuses?

Thanks!
Lawren Pulse
lawren@procast.com

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1. Re: Livingontheland Digest, Vol 146, Issue 3 (Jean French)
2. Re: Nigel's email function question (Kelly Bauer)
3. Re: FDA Investigates Dairy Over Unpasteurized Milk
(mdnagel@verizon.net)
4. Re: Nigel's email function question (Tradingpost)
5. Ken sent this. (Tradingpost)
6. Re: Nigel's email function question (Dean)
7. Re: No till and market gardening (was tractors?) (Liz)
8. Re: FDA Investigates Dairy Over Unpasteurized Milk (Liz)
9. Re: FDA Investigates Dairy Over Unpasteurized Milk (Kelly Bauer)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:51:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jean French <jwf267@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Livingontheland Digest, Vol 146, Issue
3
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
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Bobby,

We've used floating row covers to prevent squash bugs, but we put the
covers on that part of the field when we planted the seeds, and left it on
until the flowers needed pollinating. We got a lot of squash for a while
(the bugs showed up later as the plants aged), and we planted several
locations, at different times for this reason. Don't know if covers can
help in the season if the bugs are already present in this squash, but maybe
a new location would work.

Good luck!

Becky F
Towson, MD




Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:54:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bobby G <bobbyg53211@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] how to control cucurbi/squash pests?
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
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> From: uriel@nasalam.org
> Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] how to control
> cucurbit/squash pests?
>

> Personally, I think it's weak plants that allow the
> beetles to attack.
> I think guineas would take care of them.
>
> Uriel

Uriel,

these squash were planted out in organic-matter rich clay soil, heavily
manured over many years. hard to see why they'd be weak.

we've about 8 or 10 guinea hens running around, but so far they haven't
discovered the infestation, and my attempts to grab them, walk them
over and show them the little beetles, have been, well, use your
imagination...

luckily, i've got an order in for floating row covers, we'll see how
they help or not.
bobby g.
central wisc. usa





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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:59:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kelly Bauer <kellymarie62@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Nigel's email function question
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing
<livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Can you tell me why I can't get to a "board" but continue to get hese
eamils? I'm new, and I thought I signed up to just be able to read, not have
them all come to me individually. Can't get back to the moderators either!!!
Tahnks for any help or direction you can give! hugs~~kelly


--- On Thu, 6/12/08, TamesonOB <tamesonob@metrocast.net> wrote:

> From: TamesonOB <tamesonob@metrocast.net>
> Subject: [Livingontheland] Nigel's email function question
> To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing"
<livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 9:25 AM
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nigel Kirby"
> <naturespirit@clearwire.net>
> > P.S. When you are answering a specific question from a
> post with this >
> > symbol in front of it are you cutting and pasting or
> is there some
> > automatic
> > function that performs this for you?
>
> My program - outlook express - performs this function for
> me. That said,
> often times it's inconveniently placed, so sometimes
> I'll snip a passage and
> put something like *** or --- or something to that effect
> in front of and at
> the end of the snippet rather like quotes (which I also use
> on occasion). It
> just makes it easier for the reader to distinguish between
> the old message
> and the new one.
>
> Tameson in NH
> http://tamesonsmusings.blogspot.com/
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:04:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: <mdnagel@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] FDA Investigates Dairy Over
Unpasteurized Milk
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing
<livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID:
<29672647.958671213290246217.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

What if I want to use unpasteurized milk in making cheese? No one can argue
that there's a problem with that!

Two people died over the course of 7 years? How many died in that same 7
year period from "approved" food processing?


-Mark Nagel
Everett, WA


>From: Tradingpost <tradingpost@lobo.net>

>FDA Investigates Dairy Over Unpasteurized Milk
>ASSOCIATED PRESS
>June 12, 2008
>
>SAN FRANCISCO -- Dairy owner Mark McAfee started selling raw milk in 2000,

>marketing it to customers who believe it contains beneficial microbes that

>treat everything from asthma to autism.
>The unpasteurized milk swiftly caught on as part of the growing natural
food
>movement. But the Food and Drug Administration recently opened an
>investigation into whether Mr. McAfee's dairy illegally shipped raw milk
across state
>lines.
>The case against Mr. McAfee is part of a crackdown on raw milk by
government
>health officials who are concerned about the spread of food-borne
illnesses.

[snip]


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:14:02 -0600
From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Nigel's email function question
To: kellymarie62@yahoo.com, livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <200806121214020709.01F0980D@mail.lobo.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


Kelly, I've switched you to digest so you only get about one email a day
with the current messages in it. If that doesn't help then tell me. If you
want to read the archives go to
https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/livingontheland/ .

paul tradingpost@lobo.net
listowner

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 6/12/2008 at 9:59 AM Kelly Bauer wrote:

>Can you tell me why I can't get to a "board" but continue to get hese
>eamils? I'm new, and I thought I signed up to just be able to read, not
>have them all come to me individually. Can't get back to the moderators
>either!!! Tahnks for any help or direction you can give! hugs~~kelly
>
>
>--- On Thu, 6/12/08, TamesonOB <tamesonob@metrocast.net> wrote:
>




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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:17:01 -0600
From: "Tradingpost" <tradingpost@lobo.net>
Subject: [Livingontheland] Ken sent this.
To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <200806121217010443.01F3523B@mail.lobo.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"


* GARDENS/MINI-FARMS NETWORK*
Workshops: USA - TX, MS, FL, CA, AR, NM, WA; M?xico, Rep. Dominicana, Cote
d'Ivoire, Nigeria, Honduras, Kenya, Malawi, Mozambique, Hait?, England,
Nicaragua,
India.

Workshops in organic, no-till, permanent-bed gardening, mini-farming,
mini-ranching, using drip irrigation, in English & Espa?ol
minifarms@gmail.com

FUTURE ORGANIC FARMERS OF AMERICA

FFA and vocational agriculture in the high schools is an embarrassment to me
as an ex-FFA member and vo-ag student. Almost none of the present day
students in FFA/Vo-Ag are interested in agriculture. Since FFA is no longer
Future Farmers of America, that is as it should be.

I propose that we establish a new organization consisting of those students
who are interested in food and fiber production. The number of students is
not important. This is especially important in view of the present energy
situation which will force this country to return to local food production.
Even before 2008, there has been a growing grassroots movement to buy local,
buy fresh and buy organic. The future is urban farming and that is where
the students are anyway. Almost all cities [inter-urban, urban, peri-urban]
have land that can be farmed. Using organic, no-till
mini-farming/mini-livestock farming takes almost no capital or little
capital and only hand tools, power hand tools and pedal power.

The average age of American farmers is the late 50s. A-G-R-I-C-U-L-T-U-R-E
is an eleven letter "dirty" word in American today. Many of the new farmers
are people leaving the unhealthy, high tech, non-satisfying lifestyle they
had created for themselves. They know little about farming but are willing
to learn.

To create the FOFA will take effort, time and eventually some funding. At
this time, I want to build a list of agriculture high schools, interested
organizations, individuals and groups who have the same vision I have.

I am going to email this to every address for the above that I can
find. Please
respond. I would appreciate any suggestion which I will compile. I will
email the information and suggestions, as needed, to inform all interested.
This is my idea but this has to have the input of everyone of like interest.
If there is someone out there who will take this and direct it to fruition,
it is yours. I have other projects I must not neglect.

I want this to spread to every high school around the world.

Ken Hargesheimer
Box 1901
Lubbock TX 79408-1901
806-744-8517




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:53:50 -0600
From: "Dean" <andeanfx@midrivers.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Nigel's email function question
To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing"
<livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <004301c8ccdf$314e0870$030aa8c0@travler>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

In outlook express click tools/options/send/then check include message in
reply. Dean

Keeping Your Memories Alive while
Creating Family Keepsakes
www.scrapbooksupplydepot.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "TamesonOB" <tamesonob@metrocast.net>
To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing"
<livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:25 AM
Subject: [Livingontheland] Nigel's email function question


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nigel Kirby" <naturespirit@clearwire.net>
>> P.S. When you are answering a specific question from a post with this >
>> symbol in front of it are you cutting and pasting or is there some
>> automatic
>> function that performs this for you?
>
> My program - outlook express - performs this function for me. That said,
> often times it's inconveniently placed, so sometimes I'll snip a passage
> and
> put something like *** or --- or something to that effect in front of and
> at
> the end of the snippet rather like quotes (which I also use on occasion).
> It
> just makes it easier for the reader to distinguish between the old message
> and the new one.
>
> Tameson in NH
> http://tamesonsmusings.blogspot.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/livingontheland
>
>
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>



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:40:36 -0400
From: Liz <liz@allslash.org>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] No till and market gardening (was
tractors?)
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing
<livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <20080613005942.69944677DA@smtp.richmondair.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

At 01:19 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote:
>Liz
>
>I let my cardoon go to seed one year (just didn't get around to cutting the
>flower heads in time) and later that year they were coming up everywhere. I
>don't let them get too big if I don't intend to keep them because their
>roots can get big. Sometimes I just cut the tops down, sometimes I pull the
>whole plant, but that's difficult to do if they get too big.

I didn't have good luck with cardoon because the ground was so hard
it couldn't get established. But I'll remember that if I plant it
again in an area that's already in better shape.


>P.S. When you are answering a specific question from a post with this >
>symbol in front of it are you cutting and pasting or is there some
automatic
>function that performs this for you? I haven't learned all the ins and outs
>of emailing but I think it may be a good idea for me to learn more.

My email program does that. I use Eudora, but most of the others also
have some kind of "quote" function. I don't know whether anything
like that is available if you're replying from the Yahoo site.

Liz in SW VA
http://life-as-a-spectator-sport.com



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:46:35 -0400
From: Liz <liz@allslash.org>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] FDA Investigates Dairy Over
Unpasteurized Milk
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing
<livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <20080613005942.80D1867869@smtp.richmondair.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

At 11:18 AM 6/12/2008, you wrote:
>
>FDA Investigates Dairy Over Unpasteurized Milk
>ASSOCIATED PRESS
>June 12, 2008

The only good thing I can see about this is that it means people's
ideas about raw milk are changing. Conventional dairy farmers are
beginning to feel threatened. If the federal government can manage to
prohibit the sale of raw milk throughout the country, that's the day
I'll buy a cow.

Everyone should read Ron Schmid's book, "The Untold Story of Milk,"
and be prepared both to answer questions about raw milk and to send
people to the Real Milk site, http://www.realmilk.com.

Liz in SW VA
http://life-as-a-spectator-sport.com



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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:40:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kelly Bauer <kellymarie62@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] FDA Investigates Dairy Over
Unpasteurized Milk
To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing
<livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <424208.12643.qm@web30607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

In round about way we are knowledgeable about this man, and I'll say, I'd
rather drink milk from his dairy any day than some of the "approved" milk
provided by other dairies!!! jmo hugs~~kelly in Mereced County, CA


--- On Thu, 6/12/08, mdnagel@verizon.net <mdnagel@verizon.net> wrote:

> From: mdnagel@verizon.net <mdnagel@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] FDA Investigates Dairy Over Unpasteurized
Milk
> To: "Healthy soil and sustainable growing"
<livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 10:04 AM
> What if I want to use unpasteurized milk in making cheese?
> No one can argue that there's a problem with that!
>
> Two people died over the course of 7 years? How many died
> in that same 7 year period from "approved" food
> processing?
>
>
> -Mark Nagel
> Everett, WA
>
>
> >From: Tradingpost <tradingpost@lobo.net>
>
> >FDA Investigates Dairy Over Unpasteurized Milk
> >ASSOCIATED PRESS
> >June 12, 2008
> >
> >SAN FRANCISCO -- Dairy owner Mark McAfee started
> selling raw milk in 2000,
> >marketing it to customers who believe it contains
> beneficial microbes that
> >treat everything from asthma to autism.
> >The unpasteurized milk swiftly caught on as part of the
> growing natural food
> >movement. But the Food and Drug Administration recently
> opened an
> >investigation into whether Mr. McAfee's dairy
> illegally shipped raw milk across state
> >lines.
> >The case against Mr. McAfee is part of a crackdown on
> raw milk by government
> >health officials who are concerned about the spread of
> food-borne illnesses.
>
> [snip]
> _______________________________________________
> Livingontheland mailing list
> Livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/livingontheland





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