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[Ian Meyer <ianmeyer AT gmail.com>]

I don't know about anyone else, but to me, someone who puts blind
faith in a canidate for no reason other than its who their pastor,
family, whatever told them to vote for, is ignorant and backwards. I
don't care if they're a democrat, a republican, a libertarian, a
green, whatever.

The fact is most people, especially in the red states, don't vote with
their brains, they vote with their bibles, or whatever else symbolizes
their ignore-the-fact beliefs.

Anyone who can look at the current state of this country, even if you
take out things that could be attributed to non-presidential factors
(eg: the dot com bust and resulting economic slowdown), anyone who can
look at a president who has brazenly and openly lied to the people and
sent 1500 troops to their death for who-knows-what reason, is
backwards, ignorant, stupid, confused, or some combination of the
above.

People say they support Bush on abortion. Has he done anything to try
to stop it? Plenty of raving, vocal liberals would lead you to believe
that he has, but in fact, he hasn't done anything about it. Not to say
he won't if he gets the chance, but for something that is so important
to that portion of voters, they are so blinded by their passion for
that issue that they don't recognize the President's inaction, and the
fact that abortions are UP since he took office.

I can honestly say that I have *never* met a Bush supporter who has
been able to give me a solid reason for supporting him. Sure, things
like "killin terraists" and "stoppin' the baby killers" may sound
good, but he hasn't delivered on either of those, or hasn't to the
level he should, or claims to have.

Well, I think I'll step off my soapbox and go put on my nomex
underwear for this one

~Ian

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:05:47 -0500 (EST), rua AT mindspring.com
<rua AT mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> Regarding the promotion of "sorryeverybody", and the author's line:
> 
> "And we'll say we're sorry, even on the behalf of the ones who aren't."
> 
> If anyone knows the author of sorryeverybody, please tell him not make any 
> apology or statement of any kind on my behalf. Nobody likes arrogance, but 
> my distaste for hypocrisy is ten times stronger. Liberal arrogance is 
> perhaps the most self-defeating characteristic of the left, and I pray the 
> party cures that poison before they become irrelevant.
> 
> His promise to apologize "for" me epitomizes why the left keeps losing 
> ground, and why many of them were 'shocked' at the election results. 
> Obviously he doesn't need, or even want my permission to apologize, because 
> in his wisdom I am too stupid, and he must make that decision for me 
> whether I understand it or not. Unbelievable. This is so patently 
> unAmerican, anti-1person-1voice, that I cannot understand how others cannot 
> see the danger. Many of the democratic party, at least the vocal media, 
> celebs, and pundits, do not seem to understand how arrogant and elitist 
> they are. Here are a few other quotes post-election from truthout.org:
> 
> "I'm saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a 
> good part of the country - the heartland," Dr. Joseph said. "This kind of 
> redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality..." -[and I'm saddened and disgusted 
> with the elitist's assumption that they cannot be wrong, and thus all 
> opposition MUST be ignorant slobs. It continutes to push many thinking 
> people away from the left. I refuse to assist a party that looks down at 
> such a large majority of the citizens of this country. It turns my stomach 
> as much as those looking down on a particular race or etchnicity.
> 
> "New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people 
> in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say." -[in other 
> words, "we are smart, they are stupid hicks." I would wonder how people so 
> smart and savvy had no inkling that they would lose the pop vote, ground in 
> senate and house, and the leading dem senator, but I realize it is a closed 
> society that keeps telling themselves they are so smart]
> 
> "People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to 
> gravitate toward cities," he said.
> -[obviously, the city slickers know best what is good for the fly-over 
> states, so the dumb hicks should just stick to farming and let the two 
> coasts run the country.]
> 
> Wake up left, and start listening to your fellow citizens, instead of 
> vilifying them. I care about you, and voted with you for 20 years. I did 
> not vote for Bush this year, but there is no way I can condone the behavior 
> of the left enough to help. I went third party, just to register my 
> opposition to arrogance and ignorance on both sides.
> 
> Regarding the following Blandus blog quote, I would add "and it cost you 
> the election":
> "Conservatives think Liberals are wrong. Liberals think Conservatives are 
> stupid. There is a big difference between wrong and stupid. Wrong implies 
> an understanding of argument and willingness to acknowledge different 
> points of view. Stupid implies an elitist arrogance that is at times comic 
> and sad and at others subversive and dangerous. "
> 
> I don't post all this to anger or trouble, but to suggest the need to find 
> new voices and vision for your party. There are many influential, powerful, 
> intelligent achievers across the country's midwest that will take offense 
> at the accusation of backwardness, made simply because they disagree on 
> policy or live in a small town.
> 
> D
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