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[Ilan Volow <listboy AT clarux.com>]

As a bit of background, I generally dislike both extreme conservatives 
and liberals. I think that the government has a responsibility to care 
for its citizens and should do things like mandate that schools should 
freely give out condoms and teach sex ed, and I also believe you should 
never trust anyone who wears birkenstocks and eats granola. As 
democrats seem to be more pragmatic than republicans, I'm probably more 
democratic in my views.

I was going to vote for Bush because I don't believe that 
administrations should change in times of war, irrespective of whether 
the administration is Democrat or Republican or who started the war.  I 
have this fear of a Kerry staffer moving into the white house and 
accidently misplacing a bush staffer's little yellow sticky note with 
Osama Bin Laden's new home address.

I think at this point, though, the little yellow sticky note (along 
with 400 tons of explosives) has already been misplaced. And I'm not a 
big fan of the government buying Haliburton a new truck every time a 
previous truck gets a flat. And I don't think applying the "thinner, 
faster, cheaper, with less" mantra that has constantly failed one 
corporation after another and is ruining our economy should be applied 
to military situations with the same disastrous results. Rumsfeld is an 
idiot for underestimating the number of troops we'd actually need for 
Iraq, and the human factors person in me hates him for trying to 
replace tanks with lightly armored "high-tech" Stryker vehicles that 
lets gunners by stuff off of e-bay but forces them to climb *outside* 
the vehicles while under fire to get a new ammo box.

While I don't believe that leadership should change in war time, I make 
an exception for incompetent war leaders, which Bush has shown himself 
to be. I guess my answer is "I was going to vote for Bush, and these 
were the reasons why."

On a random note, I had toyed around  with the idea of Internetworkers 
establishing a few "devil's" advocate positions on the list where a 
couple members, whether they believe them or not, argue on the list for 
extremely conservative ideas. I think it would make the discussions 
less one-sided and more interesting.


On Oct 27, 2004, at 4:24 PM, Shea Tisdale wrote:

> Thanks for the replies I have gotten on the list.  However, I'm really 
> not
> interested in articles or second hand information.  I'd like to hear
> directly from people.  If you want to email me directly, that's 
> welcome.
>
> I'm not posting this to create a flame war or anything.  I'd like to
> understand some things better.
>
> - Shea Tisdale
>
> Every generation has an obligation to improve the world.
> -
> http://www.rykodisc-media.com/billhicks/
> -
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org 
> > [mailto:internetworkers-
> > bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Michael Czeiszperger
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:24 PM
> > To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/; Tanner
> > Lovelace
> > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] question
> >
> >
> > On Oct 27, 2004, at 12:55 PM, Tanner Lovelace wrote:
> >
> > > You might try looking at this report entitled "The Separate Realities
> > > of
> > > Bush and Kerry Supporters":
> > >
> > > http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/Report10_21_04.pdf
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57582-2004Oct23.html
> >
> > Really interesting!
> >
> > "Though this poll was taken immediately after chief weapons inspector
> > Charles Duelfer delivered his  report to Congress on whether Iraq had
> > WMD, a majority of Bush supporters misperceived the  conclusions of 
> > his
> > report.  Fifty-seven percent believed that that he concluded that Iraq
> > did have either  WMD (19%) or a major program for developing them
> > (38%). "
> >
> > As far as I can tell the main reason for the misperceptions is Fox 
> > News
> > and right-wing radio.  The majority of Bush supporters get their news
> > from those sources, which report falsehoods on a daily basis.  I read 
> > a
> > study that measured perceptions of basic facts about Iraq based on
> > where people got their news, and a huge percentage of Fox viewers 
> > still
> > believe Iraq has WMD, where only 1 or 2% of NPR listeners held this
> > belief.
> >
> > ___________________________________________________________________
> > michael at czeiszperger dot org
> > Chapel Hill, NC
> >
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Ilan Volow
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