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  • From: "Alan MacHett" <machett AT ibiblio.org>
  • To: internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [internetworkers] Marriage and religion
  • Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 14:10:49 -0500 (EST)

while agreeing with all else, one point:

deism is the belief that there was a supreme being that created the
universe ... and then left. deists believe that god plays no active role
in the world.

-AM

In response to Steven Champeon's message(s):
> on Fri, Feb 06, 2004 at 11:27:14AM -0500, Shea Tisdale wrote:
>> Just some questions and thoughts on this. Your statement seems awfully
>> broad. Is it equally appalling to you that the country was founded
>> under
>> the Christian belief that all men are created equal with Creator endowed
>> rights?
>
> Um, that's not a Christian belief. That's Deist, if anything (the belief
> in a Creator) and the idea of human equality is certainly not unique to
> Christianity (Islam actually comes closer to this democratic equality than
> Christianity, and the various Eastern religions, Buddhism, Taoism, etc. do
> an even better job of it). And let's not forget that the same document
> that proudly proclaimed the eqaulity of all men spoke nothing of women,
> defined the natives as "merciless Savages", and the followup defined
> slaves
> and natives as having the value of two-fifths of a person. Granted, that
> was a convenient arrangement directed specifically at determining the
> population for election of representatives, but still.
>
> Sorry, it just irks me when people ignore that this country was founded
> by a group of highly educated men who, for the most part, were either
> Deist, atheist, or otherwise rightly considered religion a scourge and
> men's willingness to do battle over it a sad reflection of the ignorance
> of the common. Read some Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson sometime.
>
> And that's true regardless of how many times you read that nonsense that
> Ashcroft spouts about how the Founders "had no King but Jesus". Bleah.
> Wishful thinking is lovely, but let's not confuse it with the facts.
>





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