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- From: Sil Greene <Sil_greene AT unc.edu>
- To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/" <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking
- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:38:14 -0400 (EDT)
.:> The official answer is yes. Connecting to a wide open
.:> network, wireless or wired, is trespassing if you do not have
.:> permission to be on it.
.:
.:Though I am by no means a legal expert, I think the analogous situations
.:might be using someone else's phone lines without their permission [...]
I restate the claim: the airwaves are public. Here, the phone lines
are *not* *yours*, and the jacks automagically supplied. If you don't
take steps to lock down your "phone network", through encryption or other
steps, how is someone to know whether you intended to allow access?
In other words, how do you supply explicit permission to a user when the
medium is by definition *theirs* *too*? This is a serious question! I'm
basically looking for the equivalent of the old FTP welcome message, for
a wireless network. The kind of thing where the AP's owner can say "Go
away, you're trespassing" or "Welcome, play nice" or whatever. Clearly,
locking down a network says "You're trespassing". Can anyone tell me
how to explicitly say "Welcome"? OTHER THAN A WARCHALK SIGN?
.:You wouldn't go for a ride on someone else's bike just because they
.:didn't have it locked up, would you?
Not in this country, but for those of us who've experienced other
cultures, and those of us *from* other cultures, the norms may be
different. There are some countries where it's *perfectly* *natural* to
pick up the first available bike -- no one locks them up, and there's
usually a pile of 'em in any given place. It's a public resource, use
what you need.
I for one would prefer to treat airwaves the same. If you don't want
trespassers, don't run an open network, or limit the network's range so
you aren't intruding on others' use.
MMV [My Mileage Varies].
--Sil
--
"If you put your supper dish to your ears you can hear the sounds
of a restaurant." --Snoopy (Charles Schultz 02-12-2000 RIP)
*&* Sil_Greene AT unc.edu *&* ICQ Silauren #36430811 *&*
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[internetworkers] ethical hacking,
brunkb, 09/13/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] ethical hacking,
David Minton, 09/13/2003
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RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking,
Shea Tisdale, 09/14/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] ethical hacking,
David Minton, 09/14/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] ethical hacking, Sil Greene, 09/14/2003
- RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking, Shea Tisdale, 09/15/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] ethical hacking,
David Minton, 09/14/2003
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RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking,
Shea Tisdale, 09/14/2003
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RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking,
Michael D. Thomas, 09/14/2003
- RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking, Shea Tisdale, 09/14/2003
- RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking, Shea Tisdale, 09/14/2003
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RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking,
Gina Norman, 09/15/2003
- RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking, Sil Greene, 09/15/2003
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RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking,
Gina Norman, 09/15/2003
- RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking, zman, 09/15/2003
- Re: [internetworkers] ethical hacking, Michael Winslow Czeiszperger, 09/15/2003
- RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking, Jim Ray, 09/15/2003
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RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking,
Gina Norman, 09/15/2003
- RE: [internetworkers] ethical hacking, Bill Geschwind, 09/15/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] ethical hacking,
Roger Austin, 09/15/2003
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[internetworkers] Seafood (Crab) Restaurant,
Tarus Balog, 09/15/2003
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RE: [internetworkers] Seafood (Crab) Restaurant,
Shea Tisdale, 09/16/2003
- RE: [internetworkers] Seafood (Crab) Restaurant, Jim Ray, 09/16/2003
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RE: [internetworkers] Seafood (Crab) Restaurant,
Shea Tisdale, 09/16/2003
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[internetworkers] Seafood (Crab) Restaurant,
Tarus Balog, 09/15/2003
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Re: [internetworkers] ethical hacking,
David Minton, 09/13/2003
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