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[Wendy <crazygardens AT verizon.net>]

I assume that you mean petroleum requires lot of chemicals and needs to be 
hauled a gazillion miles to be processed.  When I first read it, I though you 
meant biofuels.  lol  That are some of the beauties of biofules.  Lots less 
chemicals additives required and processing can be done in small plants 
scattered all over the country near the grow points.  No more centrally 
located 
processing like petroleum and far less chemicals.  I think I get what the 
artical is trying to say about the corn husks.  If you want nice corn plant 
matter, you have to enrich the soil because corn is such a heavy feeder.  
Just 
enrich it with animal manure and compost from the non usable parts of other 
plants.  I think they are assuming that you are going to use petroleum 
fertilizer to enrich your bio fuel crops.  I agree with you about hemp 
production.  The original deisel engines were designed to run on fuel from 
hemp 
oil.   I have noticed a lot of disinformation going around about alternate 
energies.  Much of this disinformation comes from plugging biofuel sources 
into 
the petroleum process loop.  People need to get their mind out of the box 
when 
it comes to alternate fuels. 

Wendy




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From: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
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Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 12:33:24 AM
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For starters, the government just loves to give away money for redundancy. 
One 
of my favorites was back in the dark ages, $35,000 (that would be about a 
Mill 
now) to study why toddlers fall off their tricycles.  Yup, honest to god, 
they 
paid a group money to figure out why toddlers fall off tricycles. The number 
one 
reason -- they run into things.  DUH!  As anyone who has raised a child could 
tell you.  For free!

As to this supposed study.  Fun and games with facts.  Bottomline, when wood 
burns efficiently it is almost carbon neutral.  And even inefficient burning 
of 
wood leaves less of a carbon footprint than using electricity produced by 
coal 
or petroleum.

Is corn a good biofuel.  Hell no!  Takes more petroleum to get to the end 
result 
than if you simply used the petroleum products for fuel.  Can you produce a 
carbon neutral fuel.  Sure you can, you just can't use a source that requires 
lots of chemicals AND needs to be hauled a gazillion miles to be processed.  
However, could someone please tell me why the heck this guy seems to think 
that 
one would use more fertilizer if you were going multiply purpose with corn?  
What the heck does he think folks are going to do, grow super corn 12 or 15 
feet 
tall that has a stock like a tree trunk?

The mill in Samoa takes the shavings and other wastes and burns them in one 
of 
those loop burners (burn once and then burn the gas that comes off burning 
the 
wood) to create the electricity to run the mill.  The finer chip is used to 
make 
dioxine free paper and the big chip is used to make low VOC chip board.  Very 
small carbon footprint.

Lots of waste out there that could be turned into energy.  All they have to 
do 
is use their brains.

Most of what the guy says in the article is not based on good science. Mostly 
opinion cloaked as science.  And, I notice that no one has the brass to 
mention 
the easiest thing in the world to grow, that doesn't need fertilizers, grows 
where other crops won't and has multiple other good uses -- hemp!  OMG!  
Heaven 
forbid.  Humans are so stupid!

Lynda
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>http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/21/biofuels-harmful-helpful-researchers-argue/?test=latestnews
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> Why do we spend billions of dollars studying things that are common sense?
> 
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On 11/23/2010 7:06 AM, Wendy wrote:
>   The original deisel engines were designed to run on fuel from hemp
> oil.

The original Diesel engine was designed to run on coal dust.  It was
discovered that coal dust was not a good fuel when the engine blew up
injuring several people.  A better fuel was looked for and mineral oil
was chosen for further experiments.

Most of what you have heard about Von Diesel and his engine is wrong.
For an accurate description of the development of the Diesel read Lyle
Cummins book "Diesel's Engine: From Conception to 1918
<http://www.amazon.com/Diesels-Engine-Lyle-Jr-Cummins/dp/0917308034/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid90526945&sr=8-4>".
Mr Cummins is the grandson of Clessie Cummins of Cummins Engines and
inventor of the Jackobs Engine Brake.

--
Don Bowen           KI6DIU
http://www.braingarage.com/Dons/Travels/journal/Journal.html