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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

I'm strongly suspect it is about making money.... 

I can't find a link, and don't have time today to hunt it down, but I 
remember something about a Norwegian glacier melting and, surprise, a buried 
village was found. Therefore, it is a short leap to it must have been warmer 
back then eons ago.




________________________________
From: Rob <becida AT comcast.net>
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Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 12:12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Global Warming?

Climate change works and is pretty accurate, just take a look at the 
earth's past history. Ice and no ice (10:1 ?)  and it repeats.
Hard to make any money off climate change but that has not been the 
case for "man made global warming".

Rob
becida AT comcast.net


At  10/17/2009 06:19 AM,Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
>I think 'global warming' was a really poor choice of a name for whatever is
>going on. It would better have been called "climate change"...we can all see
>that, with new records for hottest, coldest, wettest, driest, earliest,
>etc.being set all the time.. But like 'swine flu', the name sticks even
>though a lot of people don't like it.
>
>Lynn Wigglesworth
>Tioga Co. PA
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>
>
> > Ok, my son played his football game in the snow last night in ALABAMA... ,
> > freeze warnings this weekend in atlanta, The last 2 years broke the all
> > time  snowfall records in my hometown in Michigan, and had it's earliest
> > snowfall on  record this year already. Yesterday, the BBC announced that
> > there
> > have been no  patterns of global warming for the last 11 years. Is it time
> > to
> > call this thing  off?
> >
> > Drew

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exactly. this is the same sort of weather changes during the normal 30 year 
climate swings we have recorded going back eons. I just don't see the 
whole  human caused global warming in this.

Drew


In a message dated 10/18/2009 7:52:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
hstead AT nc.rr.com writes:

Nope.  Varying annual and multi-annual pattern are to be  expected with 
climate change.    Check out the change in weather  that occurred during 
the 
state of the Little Ice Age in  Europe.  Some years were drying and warm, 
followed by a couple  of years of wet...

"Normal" is always tough to define...  remember, the Hudson River used to 
freeze over every year....    I don't KNOW the last time that happened... 
(OK.  I "googled"  it....  2003, but you know what I mean)

Chris
Apex,  NC


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> Ok, my son played his football game in the snow last  night in ALABAMA... 
,
> freeze warnings this weekend in atlanta, The  last 2 years broke the all
> time  snowfall records in my hometown  in Michigan, and had it's earliest
> snowfall on  record this year  already. Yesterday, the BBC announced that 
> there
> have been  no  patterns of global warming for the last 11 years. Is it 
time 
>  to
> call this thing  off?
>
> Drew

>  

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Just received these links from someone who claims prez obama is going to sign 
this.

I have only watched the summary.  


Transcript of the summary follows for those who can't download it.

There's certainly more than 2 sides of the coin to this global warming issue 
:-) 

(Summary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

(Full speech)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0


(transcript, summary)

Lord Christopher Monckton
Climate Change Expert
10/14/2009

Lord Monckton:

"And what are we doing instead?  

"At Copenhagen this December, weeks away, a Treaty will be signed.  Your 
President will sign it.  Most of the third world countries will sign it 
because they think they are going to get money out of it.  Most of the 
left-wing regimes around the world like the European Union will rubber stamp 
it.  Virtually nobody won't sign it. 

"I have read that Treaty.  And what it says is this.  That a world government 
is going to be created.  The word government actually appears as the first of 
three purposes of the new entity.  The second purpose is the transfer of 
wealth from the countries of the west to third world countries in 
satisfaction of what is called coyly a 'climate debt' - because we've been 
burning CO2 and they haven't, and we've been screwing up the climate.  We 
haven't been screwing up the climate, but that's the line.  And the third 
purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement.

"How many of you think that the word election or democracy or vote or ballot 
occurs anywhere in the two hundred pages of that treaty?  Quite right.  It 
doesn't appear once.

"So at last the communists who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the 
environmental movemenent and took over Greenpeace movement so that my friends 
who founded it left within a year because they'd captured it.

"Now the apotheosis is at hand.  They are about to impose a communist world 
government on the world.  You have a president who has very strong sympathies 
with that point of view.  He is going to sign.  He'll sign anything.  He's a 
Nobel Peace Laureate.  Of course he'll sign."

<laughter>

"And the trouble is this.  If that treaty is signed, your constitution says 
that it takes presidence over your constitution.  And you can't resile from 
that treaty unless you get the agreement of all of the other states parties.  
And because you'll be the biggest paying country, they're not going to let 
you out.

"So thank you, America. You were the beacon of freedom for the world. It is a 
privilege merely to stand on this soil of freedom while it is still free.  
But in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your President will sign your 
freedom, your democracy, and your prosperity away forever, and neither you 
nor any subsequent government you may elect will have any power what-so-ever 
to take it back again.  

"That is how serious it is. 

"I've read the treaty.  I've seen this stuff about government and climate 
debt and enforcement.  They are going to do this to you whether you like it 
or no.   But I think it is here, here in your great nation, which I so love 
and so admire.  It is here that perhaps at this 11th hour, of the 59th minute 
and 59th second, you will rise up and stop your president from signing that 
dreadful treaty.  That purposeless treaty for there is no problem with the 
climate, and even if there were, economically speaking, there is nothing we 
can do about it.

"So I end by saying to you the words that Winston Churchill addressed to your 
president in the darkest hour before the dawn of freedom in the Second World 
War.  He quoted from your great poet, Longfellow: 

'Sail on, O' Ship of State.  
'Sail on, O' Union Strong and Great.
'Humanity with all its Fears,
'With all the Hopes of Future Years,
'Is Hanging Breathless on thy Fate.'

"Thank you."



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From: "DSanner106 AT aol.com" <DSanner106 AT aol.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 8:18:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Global Warming?

exactly. this is the same sort of weather changes during the normal 30 year 
climate swings we have recorded going back eons. I just don't see the 
whole  human caused global warming in this.

Drew


In a message dated 10/18/2009 7:52:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
hstead AT nc.rr.com writes:

Nope.  Varying annual and multi-annual pattern are to be  expected with 
climate change.    Check out the change in weather  that occurred during 
the 
state of the Little Ice Age in  Europe.  Some years were drying and warm, 
followed by a couple  of years of wet...

"Normal" is always tough to define...  remember, the Hudson River used to 
freeze over every year....    I don't KNOW the last time that happened... 
(OK.  I "googled"  it....  2003, but you know what I mean)

Chris
Apex,  NC


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Ok, my son played his football game in the snow last  night in ALABAMA... 
,
> freeze warnings this weekend in atlanta, The  last 2 years broke the all
> time  snowfall records in my hometown  in Michigan, and had it's earliest
> snowfall on  record this year  already. Yesterday, the BBC announced that 
> there
> have been  no  patterns of global warming for the last 11 years. Is it 
time 
>  to
> call this thing  off?
>
> Drew


  
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Leslie, the prez can't sign a treaty without Congressional approval.  This
is one more of those scare tactic things.  It is all over the net.  And, if
he signs anything without Congressional approval, it is null and void.

And, I've read the Accord, it doesn't say any such thing.

Lynda
--"I'm fascinated by the hard line you're drawing over religion -- It gets
used too much, as an excuse, a fall guy, a weapon, a con.  A lot of people,
maybe most, don't mean it except when it suits them."  Dallas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


Just received these links from someone who claims prez obama is going to
sign this.

I have only watched the summary.


Transcript of the summary follows for those who can't download it.

There's certainly more than 2 sides of the coin to this global warming issue
:-)

(Summary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

(Full speech)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0


(transcript, summary)

Lord Christopher Monckton
Climate Change Expert
10/14/2009

Lord Monckton:

"And what are we doing instead?

"At Copenhagen this December, weeks away, a Treaty will be signed. Your
President will sign it. Most of the third world countries will sign it
because they think they are going to get money out of it. Most of the
left-wing regimes around the world like the European Union will rubber stamp
it. Virtually nobody won't sign it.

"I have read that Treaty. And what it says is this. That a world government
is going to be created. The word government actually appears as the first of
three purposes of the new entity. The second purpose is the transfer of
wealth from the countries of the west to third world countries in
satisfaction of what is called coyly a 'climate debt' - because we've been
burning CO2 and they haven't, and we've been screwing up the climate. We
haven't been screwing up the climate, but that's the line. And the third
purpose of this new entity, this government, is enforcement.

"How many of you think that the word election or democracy or vote or ballot
occurs anywhere in the two hundred pages of that treaty? Quite right. It
doesn't appear once.

"So at last the communists who piled out of the Berlin Wall and into the
environmental movemenent and took over Greenpeace movement so that my
friends who founded it left within a year because they'd captured it.

"Now the apotheosis is at hand. They are about to impose a communist world
government on the world. You have a president who has very strong sympathies
with that point of view. He is going to sign. He'll sign anything. He's a
Nobel Peace Laureate. Of course he'll sign."

<laughter>

"And the trouble is this. If that treaty is signed, your constitution says
that it takes presidence over your constitution. And you can't resile from
that treaty unless you get the agreement of all of the other states parties.
And because you'll be the biggest paying country, they're not going to let
you out.

"So thank you, America. You were the beacon of freedom for the world. It is
a privilege merely to stand on this soil of freedom while it is still free.
But in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your President will sign your
freedom, your democracy, and your prosperity away forever, and neither you
nor any subsequent government you may elect will have any power what-so-ever
to take it back again.

"That is how serious it is.

"I've read the treaty. I've seen this stuff about government and climate
debt and enforcement. They are going to do this to you whether you like it
or no. But I think it is here, here in your great nation, which I so love
and so admire. It is here that perhaps at this 11th hour, of the 59th minute
and 59th second, you will rise up and stop your president from signing that
dreadful treaty. That purposeless treaty for there is no problem with the
climate, and even if there were, economically speaking, there is nothing we
can do about it.

"So I end by saying to you the words that Winston Churchill addressed to
your president in the darkest hour before the dawn of freedom in the Second
World War. He quoted from your great poet, Longfellow:

'Sail on, O' Ship of State.
'Sail on, O' Union Strong and Great.
'Humanity with all its Fears,
'With all the Hopes of Future Years,
'Is Hanging Breathless on thy Fate.'

"Thank you."



________________________________
From: "DSanner106 AT aol.com" <DSanner106 AT aol.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 8:18:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Global Warming?

exactly. this is the same sort of weather changes during the normal 30 year
climate swings we have recorded going back eons. I just don't see the
whole human caused global warming in this.

Drew


In a message dated 10/18/2009 7:52:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hstead AT nc.rr.com writes:

Nope. Varying annual and multi-annual pattern are to be expected with
climate change. Check out the change in weather that occurred during
the
state of the Little Ice Age in Europe. Some years were drying and warm,
followed by a couple of years of wet...

"Normal" is always tough to define... remember, the Hudson River used to
freeze over every year.... I don't KNOW the last time that happened...
(OK. I "googled" it.... 2003, but you know what I mean)

Chris
Apex, NC


----- Original Message -----
From: <DSanner106 AT aol.com>
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:06 AM
Subject: [Homestead] Global Warming?


> Ok, my son played his football game in the snow last night in ALABAMA...
,
> freeze warnings this weekend in atlanta, The last 2 years broke the all
> time snowfall records in my hometown in Michigan, and had it's earliest
> snowfall on record this year already. Yesterday, the BBC announced that
> there
> have been no patterns of global warming for the last 11 years. Is it
time
> to
> call this thing off?
>
> Drew



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