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The typical indians were trading with others, then the white man came in and 
screwed the indians over type story.  Rounded them up into crowded camps.  
The ingredients for food they gave the indians were rancid at times, which is 
the horrible part - that they provided them rancid food.  They did they best 
the could with the supplies.  Fry bread was one thing to come out of it.  
Can't remember if it was in Arizona, New Mexico or Colorado.

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To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 2:09 PM

What is the original story.

Rene
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Subject: [Homestead] fry bread


Lynda, 
 
Does this recipe sound about right?
 
1 cup unbleached flour
1/4 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon powdered milk
1 teaspoon baking powder
1/2 cup water
Vegetable oil for frying

 
I had Navajo Fry Bread in Arizona years ago, of course as a Navajo Taco. I
pretty sure we were in a resturant on a reservation.   I remember that it was
good, but had completely forgotten about it until you recently mentioned 
it.....
I also learned since that the story behind its original creation was horrible.
 
 
 
 
 
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and
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I'm going to have to re-read what I wrote to see how you arrived at 
this.......
 
Nothing wrong with fry bread - that is the good part.
 
The bad part was that it posted in another email........... how the "white 
man" rounded them up and gave them rancid ingredients to eat, and they 
created fry bread from those ingredients.  That's thats the horrible part.

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I've never heard any bad story about Indian Fry Bread.  I don't know
how to make it , though I've seen it cooked.  Indian women make it &
sell it at stands next to the Indian cigarette stores.  You eat it with honey,
usually.  It has been some time since I've had fry bread. ........

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>  
> Does this recipe sound about right?
>  
> 1 cup unbleached flour
> 1/4 teaspoon salt
> 1 teaspoon powdered milk
> 1 teaspoon baking powder
> 1/2 cup water
> Vegetable oil for frying
> 
>  
> I had Navajo Fry Bread in Arizona years ago, of course as a
> Navajo Taco. I pretty sure we were in a resturant on a
> reservation.   I remember that it was good, but had
> completely forgotten about it until you recently mentioned
> it..... I also learned since that the story behind its
> original creation was horrible.
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> --------
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> in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it
> coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly
> obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome.
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> of solidity to pure wind.” ~ George Orwell
> 
> 
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Don't plant these together
PUMPKIN


ZUCHINNI



YELLLOW


ACORN 


SPAGHETTI SQUASH
BUTTERNUT
 
Don't plant these together






CUKES

WATERMELONS
 
 
Don't plant these together






CANTALOUPS

HONEY DEW
 
 
I have a list of all of them, if you want me to type up the whole by genus & 
species and which cross with which, just let me know


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Butternut doesn't cross with Acorn?
Will either cross with cukes?
I can never remember.



Clansgian AT wmconnect.com wrote:
>>> It's going to be especially challenging in my winter squash
patch
> 
> Remember too that our ususal winter squash are four different species
(five 
> counting cushaws) and they do not cross with one another.  Just keep the 
> species separated.
> 
> James
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thanks !

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We love fry bread - for some reason we call it "scones". It is simply
normal bread dough (simple whole wheat or white recipe - but no rise
time) deep fat fried until brown.

I am doing this from memory, and I usually just guestimate the amounts
of salt, oil, etc. but the recipe is something like:

Dough:
4 cups flour
1 tablespoon dry yeast
2 cups water (adjust to get proper dough texture)
1 tsp salt
1 tablespoon oil or butter
1-2 tablespoons sugar or honey (to feed the yeast




1. start vegetable oil (or good lard is even better) heating up. needs
to be at least 350 degrees and enough to cover the fry bread. (we do
it around 2 inches deep)

2. start the yeast and sugar in a cup of tepid water
3. mix the flower, salt, yeast, water, - get it to stiff dough
(kneading) like consistency.
4. grab golf ball size to tennis ball size lumps of dough, flatten
them out until about 1/4 inch thick, drop in hot grease, turn over
when starting to brown. pull out when both sides are brown. (any size
can and does get made - it just has to fit in the hot grease and be
thin enough to cook)

If it is too doughy even though the outside is golden brown - make it thinner.

You can take that same dough and kneed it for 5 minutes or so and let
it rise in warm spot for a few hours, then punch it down and kneed it
again, and it should make a couple of loaves of bread (cooked at
around 350 for about 55 minutes)

Scones (Fry Bread) is lots quicker and more satisfying!

Smother in honey/butter mixture and enjoy

or put chili and other fixins over the top for navajo tacos.

mmm - I think I will go make this tomorrow
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Thanks everyone for the leeks info.  James' analogy with the peppers
makes sense.  I may try them next year.  Sage, I've never had or tried
miso, never seen it in the stores either.  I scout the international
sections pretty well, too.  From what I read, buttery, salty, sounds
like I would like it.  So, if I start them from seed, and being in a
short day area, when should I start them?

Sage Austin | Eureka! Design wrote:
> Bev, Leeks are good cut lengthwise and broiled with carrots and a little
> miso sauce. I also cut them up to put into soups. But I don't use them
> raw like green onions. They don't taste the same to me. They are
> supposed to be for areas with longer day length, but I've had good luck
> with them in the past, growing them from seed. This year none of my seed
> came up, guess it was too old. Since I harvest the entire plant I don't
> think they are perennial, maybe someone else has had more experience
> with them.--Sage
>
> EarthNSky wrote:
>> Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I've got flats of Ailsa Craig and Walla Walla onions and Leeks started.
>

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