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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Even the producers in Ayn Rand's book (and in reality today) from time to 
time require financing, therefore, there is a place for the extension of 
credit.
 
There are two types of credit basically, self-liquidating credit and 
non-liquidating credit.  The former is liquidated thru production,,, the 
later is not (it is consumed).  Much simplified --- the former is good, the 
later is bad.
 
Public offering of stock one way to obtain financing for production.  So you 
can't just lump everything together as that all stock investment is bad... or 
that all ass-sitting, as you call it, is bad.
 
As long as things relate to REAL and honest production, which would including 
lending, investing to REAL producers, its good as far as I'm concerned.
 
 
 


--- On Sun, 1/11/09, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:

From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Atlas Shrugged - Fiction to fact in 52 years
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 10:37 AM

> >Under Rand's philosophy, wealthy isn't about acquiring
dollars.  It is 
> about honest production.  Production at every level.

It's the difference between producers and ass-sitters.  The trouble now of 
days is that so few people actually produce anything that we have come to 
view 
most ass-sitting as production.  People to trade stocks, advise investors, 
coordiate this, pontificate about that, etc.  have come to view themselves as 
producing something when they most decidedly do not.


James
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Quality and qantity are legitimate concerns. We have been involved in several 
networking concerns over the years, including the grand old dames, Shaklee 
and Amway. We have made money in all of them, and were very successful in 
one. I still like Amway, but to be successful there anymore, you have to make 
it a virtual religion, and I was not willing to do that. Like ANY business, 
honesty and integrity need to be the rule. And an effective business model 
that rewards proper business practices. So far, Zrii has demonstrated these, 
both at corporate and the distributors I have met.

Regarding migraines, my wife has spent years trying to identify triggers, and 
aside from getting flashed with bright light, had no success. Zrii has been 
literally a godsend for her. And me, since she is now much nicer to be around 
<g>

Ray


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From: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Alternative medicine = mainstream



Pyramid type organizations usually start out as something good and then
snowball as the push to sell more takes precidence over honesty.  And
generally, over time, the quality of the product deteriorates as quantity
becomes the driving force, not quality.

As to migraines, I had my first one when I was 5 or 6.  After a couple that
sent me to the hospital, I learned the triggers and to recognize when one
was coming on and to stop them before they became a full blown incident.
That seems to be the best answer for me since I haven't had one since 1985.

Lynda
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> None, at least according to the financials I have seen. He is not directly
> involved with the company at all. He is a friend of the founder, however.
> He has spoken at some meetings, however, and I am sure he does have a fee
> for appearing...
>
> I take a look at everything. We researched it for a month or so before
> taking it at first, and have done more since then. My wife does have a
> mind bowel reaction to it..., probably due to high fiber content, but she
> feels the mild discomfort is well worth the benefits. We have heard of
> some other difficulties, but upon more research. almost all of those were
> due to taking FAR more than is recommended. Even a true panacea would have
> a recommended doseage.
>
> And yes, it is a networking company. Your point?
>
> Ray

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