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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

My usage on all days except laundry days.
 
1 gallon for drinking and cooking
2 gallons for hands/dishes/cooking
1-2 quarts max for toilet (not a regular toilet).
1 gallon to bathe
2 quarts just in case....
 
I keep up 5 gallons on standby in a cooler, and have measured this before 
when the water line busted.  I have yet to use the whole 5 gallons in a day.
 
Did the same in an apartment. I had never had a water bill before and was a) 
verifying the water actually used [the meter was in the apt] and b) trying to 
see how little one can get by with....
 
 
Course in the desert without electricity (or solar powered pump) - 5 gallons 
would be hard to come by....  
 
The neighbors have a huge old metal water tower - but when I asked, the 
bottom had rusted out, so they no longer use it.  They pumped water up into 
to it and stored it... it wasn't rain water fed.  :-(
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-How much water do you use a day?  (approx)





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Then you are better informed that most... :-)
 

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All of the horses we showed were rescues.  Got into showing because someone,
silly person, said "you can't beat the professionals" blah, blah, blah.  And
then proceded to tell me how much money I would have to spend and what
trainer I would have to have or judge a, b or c wouldn't place the horse and
how I would have to feed this hay and that grain.  Yeah, right!  NOT!

I'm always up for a challenge and knowing that the severly abused Appy mare
(she had pitchfork scars and a piece of wire wrapped around a hind leg and
cutting into the tendon when she was brought to our place) I'd gotten on a
board bill had won the first Snaffle Bit Futurity and won extensively in the
hackamore, the kidlets and I decided that Sissy would make a liar out of the
nay sayers <g>  We pulled her, her twins and her yearling gelding out of the
field and hit the road.  Well, I did spend 6 weeks getting her to carry a
bit and teaching her the finer things in life (not everything was spins and
sliding stops <g>). Five kids, five horses (four of them riding her) and at
the end of the year they had qualified for 17 classes at Nationals.

Amazing what some common sense and basic good care can do!

And you could really tell the difference between my methods and everyone
elses.  When mine were done at the end of the day, we'd strip the tack off
and throw a halter on them, toss the lead over their shoulders and cut them
loose.  They'd race for the trailer.  Everyone else was out there fighting
with horses to get them in the trailer.

Gotta love it when you take a real sad sack and turn it into a swan!

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>


100% agree with everything you said.

You'll get a kick out of this story.

I had a lady bring a horse in from one of those big well known show barns.
He was a 17'2" TB Gelding, large boned for a TB, and severely underweight -
close to reportable levels. She only brought him because she was leaving for
3 months, and wanted my daughter to ride him while she was away. (How? You
couldn't get a saddle on him without hurting him....)

I had known this horse for 6 years and was shocked at his condition. Asked
what he was being fed. 12 qts of grain a day and 2 small pads of T&A...
Insane. This was a hyper horse to begin with. Naturally the minute the owner
was away, I changed his diet, which included lots of turn-out. Of course he
was "smart" and loved grain, so would refuse to eat the hay. All he got from
me was tough love, and hand feeding of hay until he realized the game
wouldn't work. By the time she returned he was eating mostly hay and less
than 2 qts of grain (much later next to none).

Turned out the owner didn't return for 6 months. One afternoon, she and her
husband banged loudly on the door.. They were angry - demanding to know
where their horse was. They couldn't find him in the barn. Ha! He was in the
same assigned stall the whole time when he was inside, and was actually in
his stall eating hay. They didn't recognize him (and to me he was still
underweight.) His coat was shiny, and he had gained a lot of weight, and he
was calm, instead of his usual pacing all over.

They did not go back to the big show barn, and left him in my care for many
years, as did others who wanted sane, happy horses. I'm convinced people is
the problem with most horses.


Show people are not evil --- but a lot of them are really stupid and cruel -
some very visibly cruel, and others very subtly. 'Tis a long story, but I
worked with "O" Judges for years. One in particular, an older German Judge,
actually teared up while judging and refused to give a score - for a
competitor nearing the international level - for the kind of cruelty that
most people can't see. Boy did that cause a lot of behind door arguments
between a couple of "O" judges since 3 scores were required.






--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net> wrote:


Susan, the advise so far has been sort of good.  As with everything else,
something a certain someone needs a continual reminder about, there is no
one size fits all.  The same applies to horses, as it does to those that
raise and show them.

I'm one of those evil folks who showed horses.  Hauled them 35,000 miles a
year.  However, they weren't locked in stalls, fed micro-managed diets or
fussed over.  With a bit of common sense one can haul, show and beat the
pants off the big boys with all the big bucks and did it with horses
straight off a pasture.  Straight off the pasture we won in halter,
including futurities, cutting, reining, hunter hack, saddleseat, pleasure
driving, fine harness, hunters, jumpers, hackamore, pleasure, barrels,
poles, trail.

The number one thing to remember about horses is that they need quality, let
me repeat, QUALITY feed.  You can toss second rate hay to cattle and not
have problems.  Do that with horses and you will end up with problems 9
times out of 10.  Yeah, there is always the guy who gets away with it but
that is the exception, not the rule and you don't want to spend hundreds,
if
not thousands, to find out you aren't the 1 in 10.

Good quality hay doesn't = big bucks.  It equals hay that is clean, no
mold,
no vetch, no foxtails, no star thistle.  Horses rarely need grain.  If you
have an old horse, extreme cold, hard work, growing out a foal, grain will
sometimes be needed.

When and if you decide to get a horse, spend some time with someone who
really knows what they are doing.  And, to some degree, James is correct.
Stay away from the fancy barn where all the folks board their horses.  Those
folks are in business to make money, not in the business to make sure the
right person gets the right horse.  Go spend some time around horses.  I
realise that there is something in the DNA (sorry, James, there really are
differences) of most females that makes them crave owning a horse but horses
aren't for everyone.  We never sold a horse to a newbie until they spent
some time on the ranch.  We frequently found that the temperment of the
person didn't match the termperment of the horse and some folks found they
really didn't want a horse after all.

And contrary to popular belief, horses are very smart but not in the way
most folks think.  Horses will figure out how to get into mischief and how
to manipulate and out smart humans very quickly.  Unfortunately, horses are
smarter than most folks that own them, just not in the most healthy way.
yeah know, kinda like humans <g>

We did lots of rescues and found the problem was generally the owner and a
lack of horse smarts and not the horse.

Oh, and I don't know where you are but just incase, I'll save you a big
vet
bill.  Most people won't warn you about sand.  Sand is one the horses worst

enemies.  If you have sandy soil, do NOT feed your horse on the ground!

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Trickett" <gmasue AT inbox.com>


> That's what I thought:-) I have my eye on a place 12 miles out of
town, 7
> acres, fenced pasture and a beautiful old barn. No money so it's only
a
> dream for now. If I am ever in a position to get a horse I will really
> think about the responsibility and ask more questions!

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