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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

LOL- 
 
OK let's see, I buy a few knives that come with scabbords & wet stones that 
retail for $59 and up and I paid a fraction of the cost.  (Maybe you missed 
that I said wholesale???)  I live in one of the poorest states in the 
country, and right next door to a very poor country, and you are worried that 
I won't be able to sell these knives at the flea market for double (i.e. way 
below current retail), double of what I paid because they aren't the highest 
priced quality?   Not to mention in inflationary times down the road your 
concern is that I won't be able to sell them for a minimum of double what I 
paid ?
 
I think you live in a very different world than a lot of people - i.e. the 
target consumer for these knives.  Let's say you make minimum wage or just 
above, and you lost or broke your knife and it is something you use often, 
maybe to slit chickens throats with.  Are you really going to choose the most 
expensive knife out there that might cost 1-2 week's paycheck,,, or choose a 
really decent looking $49 knife on sale for $14 (I.E. two hours worth of 
minimum wage)?  Think about it.
 
Another example.... the Dollar Store type stores.  People go there and buy 
diluted dish soap for $1 (don't get caught up in the price.... pay attention 
to the concept).  The half size container of dish soap contains .05 cents 
worth max of chemicals (this I actually do know because I used to make this 
stuff, only mine was concentrated).  Most of the cost is the cost of the 
plastic container and the cap and the label.  People see the $1 purchase 
price and buy because that is what they can afford, not realizing that if 
they bought a gallon size of concentrated soap much more of their purchase 
proportionately would go to the contents versus the container.... or maybe 
they do know, but just don't have the extra money.  They do not care if the 
soap is a brand name or not.  They just need something that will get the 
grease off their dishes, and they buy what they can afford --- not the best 
quality, most highly advertised product.  
 
I understand the posts about quality ya de ya de.... but think just for a 
moment in terms of inflation hedges and what will be and is already happening 
to Americans.... the Pooring of America.  More and more people are slipping 
out of middle class.  
 
If I was going to target the rich, then I would look for the Maserati type 
knives.  I'm not targeting the rich to sell a few extra knives to - that is 
for sure.  And if James is right, those right wouldn't think of bloodying 
their hands.
 
So far, the first knife I've used myself - for which I did not want to use my 
good, expensive kitchen knives............ has already served it's purpose 
--- as a multi-purpose tool.  I've been cutting toilet paper and paper towels 
rolls in half, as well as carboard boxes.... LOL.  The knife was excellent 
and made quick work of that... and when it dulls will give me a chance to 
check out the nice wet stone that came with it.  Next time I carve up a 
chicken we'll see how it works.
 
 
Hope everyone had a fine holiday !
 


--- On Thu, 12/25/08, bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Gold
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 11:09 AM

Everyone needs to decide on their niche, Leslie, you are right.  But, always
remeber the purpose of an item.  If it can't hold an edge , is it really a
knife?  People pay extra for good quality tools for utilitarian purposes  -- 
the
'brand' is established because of the quality of the function.

You mentioned the safety aspect in firearm magazines, the same applies to a
dull knife.  And, you can do better than $7 bucks each-- a lot better, by the
gross-- if you want to buy cheap chinese hunting knives.  I don't know the
knives of which you speak, maybe they are of better than average chinese
quality.  But a good knife is more than a pointy piece of steel, ;-) 

I have sevarl really nice pieces of art leslie; and I also own a couple of 
crap
pieces that were received as gifts and have sentimental attachment.  The good
stuff always sells the fastest, no matter the market.  

I'm only playing devil's advocate here, you do as you please.  But,
check further into wholesale price vs. value, chinese stuff is being
'dumped'............

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--- On Thu, 12/25/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Gold
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 8:52 AM
> Merry Xmas to all also !
>  
> A wholesale price of $7 US apiece (on average) for hunting
> knives varying in length from 8" - 13" including
> scabbords & small shapening stones, regardless of where
> the stainless came from seems like a really good deal. 
> Then there are the shorter straight blades, more of a
> multi-purpose stainless steel knife ($3 - $5 wholesale).
>  
> Maybe not for a knife affecionado who still has sufficient
> currency.  But for someone who has lost or broke their
> knife, for suddenly finds themselves in need of one down the
> road and at a reasonable price.... they will sell. 
>  
> I am thinking in terms of the old saying I first heard as a
> kid,,,, "Service the masses, live with the classes.
> Service the classes, live with the masses."    
>  
> The masses can not afford the most expensive knives... but
> they still need knives.
> 
>  
> There are a lot of people who think differently about
> bying quality.  Some will look for quality and buy
> something of the best quality that will last a lifetime. 
> So say for example they spend $200 on a single knife. 
> Others will take the same $200, and buy 30-40 cheap knives,
> sell off half of them for $200, get their original money
> back, and keep the balance, using the spares as replacements
> for when the cheaper ones break, get lost, etc.
>  
> People buy the best quality that they can afford,,,,, key
> word being afford.
>  
> The quality of things in general is really going down hill
> --- because masses can not afford quality.
>  
> For example, my decent quality hand mixer of some 20 years,
> totally broke down last month.... a tool I use often in the
> kitchen.  So I trotted over to Walmart to find a
> replacement.  There were 3 varieties, one of $6, one for
> $12, and one for $29.  I opened the box of the $29 first,
> and was appalled, super super appalled at the quality.  It
> was total junk and totally useless in a kitchen, although it
> had the specific gadget I was looking for.  Same with the
> $12 one.  Appalling quality.  The $6 one actually was
> better, but didn't have the gadget I was looking for in
> a mixer (bread hooks).  I wound up leaving in disgust. 
> Yet, these mixers are in fact selling.... because that is
> what the masses can afford. 
>  
> >From the point of view of re-sale,,, I have no doubts
> about selling them.  The masses are getting poorer by the
> day.
>  
> >From the point of view of personal use, I would prefer
> super quality - and if I can't afford, then lots of
> back-up replacements.  LOL.
>  
> For guns, I think I would think differently though, as I
> would guess there are probably personal safety issues
> involved. 
>  
>  
> 
> --- On Thu, 12/25/08, bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> From: bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Gold
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 10:06 AM
> 
> Good am and Merry Christmas to you, Leslie.  The jagged or
> serratted edge on on
> a hunting knife is for the same use as its function on any
> knife --sawing motion
> for tough cutting.
> 
> Personally, I would not waste my time with Chinese knives
> for future barter.  I
> realize the Chinese are now manufacturing for some of the
> better names, but that
> has badly  tarnished the reputation of some of those names.
>  All of the knives I
> curerently own , hunting or otherwise were made in Germany
> or the U.S.  I
> don't see a time where I would change that (there are
> very pricey knives of
> Japanese steel and manufacture and other such, but for a
> regular person, Germany
> or U.S. is always much better.
> 
> The same is true for other 'tools'.  Don't buy
> cheap Chinese
> knock-off pistol magazines,  Buy them from U.S. or country
> of origiin.  There
> are Chinese magazines that are fine, but you need to know
> which. 
> 
>  Cheaper is not better with tools.  Same applies to
> handtools.  I'll bet if
> someone like Don has any Chinese tools, they are carried as
> a set that might be
> lost or as a back-up because they were cheap.  Chinese
> tools are better than
> noithing, but usually not good enough to defray the fact
> that they will always
> be cheap tools.
> 
> Binoculars, I don't know.  My pair are from germany,
> but they are very old.
>  Japamese optics since the 60's have been excellent, I
> have read.
> 
> Steel might go back up in price, as will cheap, moderately
> priced, and
> expensive knives, when that occurs.  But, it is much more
> likely that pistol or
> rifle full capacity magazines will become more scarce and
> easier to barter, for
> there are now the present political considerations, also.
> 
> I don't know the best set of moderately priced
> wrenches, for example.  But,
> that might do you better than a big mean looking hunting
> knife for barter if
> that is your purpose.  
> 
> Many options .......  
> 
> If you know for a fact that you will be in that place for
> the future, and that
> it will be 'X' number of people; I would first
> concentrate (as you
> already are) on all of the needs and desires for those
> "X" people for
> whatever "Y" amount of time, you fear or plan
> that you might need. 
> After that , it is all a hedge.  Hedge with what you know
> best and think will
> travel best and will be most easily exchangable.
> 
> Good talking with you on this Christmas am
> .......................
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 12/25/08, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Gold
> > To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 4:49 AM
> > A good contingency plan....
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > I suspect gold is a good vehicle for storing excess
> saved
> > wealth during very specific periods of time (collapse
> of
> > currency,hyperinflation) and as a way to pass on that
> wealth
> > to heirs without the taxman stealing any.  As well as
> a
> > currency two individuals can use for trade if there is
> an
> > agreement on value.
> >  
> > For immediate survival needs, tools, ammo etc a very
> good
> > investment.
> >  
> > I made another excellent "investment" this
> week
> > that I was able to get at wholesale prices, and
> I'm
> > thinking of getting more to use as barter.  Hunting
> knives
> > of various lengths, bone saws, filet knives, skinning
> > knives, general all purpose knives, field binoculars
> (with
> > surprisingly good optics).  And of course all made in
> > China.....  I figured since I don't know how to
> make
> > steel.... it's a good investment.
> >  
> > Question.... on the hunting knives.... some of them
> have
> > some wicked jagged edges on the upper side.  What is
> the
> > jagged edge really for?
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Merry Xmas, all
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 12/24/08, rayzentz AT aim.com
> > <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:
> > 
> > From: rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Gold
> > To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 9:56 AM
> > 
> > You know, until recently, I was planning on buying
> more
> > gold, but figured it was
> > more prudent to stock up on items that may not be
> > available..., food, firearms,
> > ammo, tools, etc. Those may be of more value than
> gold, and
> > much more readily
> > "spendable"
> > Ray
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> > To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com; homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Sent: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:41 am
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Gold
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Leslie my comments were specific to Dr. Fekete 's
> > meaning, using his own
> > words : 
> > 
> > 
> > " In the end, no one was willing to exchange gold
> and
> > silver coins for the
> > 
> > debased coinage of the empire."
> > 
> > Acoording to him, and others like him, I might add,
> the
> > gold never lost its 
> > value; the gold was never debased.  On the contrary,
> > because if its innate, 
> > intrinsic value, it was hoarded and hidden away, for
> there
> > was nothing left, 
> > proclaimed by fiat that had retained enough value that
> the
> > owners of gold were 
> > "willing to exchange" their gold.
> > 
> > Now, Fekete is an uber goldbug.  I find good points in
> alot
> > of his writing; but
> > 
> > other groups would call him hysterical or even a
> > 'nut'.
> > There are other finacial sites similar to financial
> > sense--the site that you 
> > quote.  Some or bigger, some smaller, but they all
> have
> > well written commentary
> > 
> > by many well educated ,sometimes prominent, men.  Each
> > commengtary makes
> > perfect 
> > sense until you read the next commentary.  There are
> many
> > historical analogies,
> > 
> > and different ways of interpreting those historical
> events.
> >  Even today, our 
> > best economists still disagree on what finally ended
> the
> > great depression, and 
> > that wasn't very long ago.
> > 
> > There is also the factor of price manipulation of
> > currencies (including gold if
> > 
> > you consider gold to be money) by governments and
> > financials cartels all
> > through 
> > history.  Much tales of manipulation are real and much
> is
> > the fabric of told
> > & 
> > yet untold conspiracy theories.
> > 
> > Dr. Fekete is just another very smart voice.  try
> > 321Gold.com,or  jsmineset.com
> > 
> > , for a bigger variety of commentary.  JSMineset is
> the
> > most prominent (along 
> > with the commentry section of Peter Schiff's
> > Europac.net.).  You seem to be
> > 
> > drifting toward to very worst case senario set; and
> you
> > could very well be 
> > right.  I'm still reading and thinking, having not
> yet
> > decided that anyone
> > is 
> > even close to perfecting predicting the future.  And,
> I
> > always 'hope'
> > for a 
> > better case scenario..:-) .............
> > 
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Leslie
> <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Gold
> > > To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 10:20 AM
> > > No I don't think I misinterpreted.
> > > ?
> > > In other things I have read, governments,
> serfdoms,
> > > kingdoms,?etc. practiced "clipping"
> coins
> > (i.e
> > > they cheated on the value of the coin).? The
> modern
> > day
> > > equivalent is clearly seen in US dimes and
> quarters,
> > which
> > > are no longer solid silver.? They have been
> clipped
> > > (filled) with other metals.? The US government is
> > cheating
> > > on the value of coins & paper currency.? The
> > exchange
> > > of X units of labor for a 100% silver dime, is
> now
> > exchanged
> > > for 1/100th% of the same amount of silver via
> > > "clipping"/cheating.? (Not an exact
> number,
> > but
> > > illustrative for argument.)? This has been a long
> > drawn out
> > > process of clipping both metal & paper
> currency in
> > the
> > > US?spanning some 80-90 years.
> > > ?
> > > The hoarding events that has lead to current time
> > > backwardation probably?has occured?in two
> stages.? The
> > > first being those who hid their gold from the
> > government
> > > confiscating it some 80-90 ago when the US made
> it
> > illegal -
> > > and passed it on to their children.? And the
> second
> > wave
> > > starting when the US made it legal to own gold
> again,
> > and
> > > then took us off the gold standard in the 1970s
> > triggering
> > > fear of monetary collapse.? I would venture there
> are
> > a lot
> > > of gold bugs who never sold any of the gold they
> > purchased
> > > in the 70s as back then they understood the
> collapse
> > of the
> > > fiat currency was underway regardless of how
> > many?years it
> > > would take - even if they bought at the top.? I
> know I
> > was
> > > in my early twenties, and I understood that back
> then
> > - that
> > > gold is to be hoarded and exchanged as the
> currency
> > finishes
> > > collapsing.
> > > ?
> > > Fekete explains hoarding was?a long drawn out
> event in
> > the
> > > W. Roman Empire, and in modern times we have a
> similar
> > event
> > > going on.
> > > ?
> > > Backwardation in part is telling us that fewer
> and
> > fewer
> > > people?hoardin
> > g gold/silver today are willing to exchange
> > > it for paper dollars or for those
> "clipped"
> > silver
> > > dimes and quarters that are no longer 100%
> silver.
> > > ?
> > > Currently the troops are still accepting below
> minimum
> > > wage(?) paid in the form of paper fiat
> currency.???If
> > the
> > > government doesn't increase their wages in
> sync
> > with
> > > hyperinflation - how long will they stay?? How
> can
> > they
> > > feed their families?? 
> > > ?
> > > There is no doubt in my mind that the US
> Gov't is,
> > and
> > > has been for a long time, bankrupt.? So far the
> US is
> > still
> > > paying debts by creating more and more currency
> out of
> > thin
> > > air.? How long people will continue to accept
> that
> > form of
> > > payment is another story.? I do believe we're
> > headed
> > > for a monetary hyperinflation phase, where the
> > currency
> > > collapses in the end.? (And not just the US, I
> believe
> > a
> > > lot of G-20s are going the same way.)
> > > ?
> > > What happens after that??
> > > ?
> > > >From what I've read, hyperinflations do
> not
> > end
> > > until governments stop issuing the?collapsing
> > currency,
> > > issue a new currency, and promise not to debase
> it by
> > > increasing the number of units circulating.? It
> > won't
> > > work until there is CONfidence that the
> government
> > will stop
> > > the clipping.??I wish I knew if that typically
> happens
> > > overnight, or if the next new currency?typically
> gets
> > > clipped again after a short period of
> CONfidence.?The
> > gold
> > > bugs may?hoard their gold, even if it means
> passing to
> > the
> > > next generation... meaning there is no
> centralized
> > price
> > > mechanism.
> > > ?
> > > How DO people value gold outside of a government
> > issued
> > > money system - which in part is what I
> interpreted
> > James to
> > > be talking about.? You can't eat it, but you
> can
> > use it
> > > to trade without others willing to accept it, but
> what
> > is
> > > the pricing mechanism?? 
> > > ?
> > > If the dollar collapses and people are still
> willing
> > to
> > > trade gold for say Euro, you have a pricing
> > mechanism.? If
> > > the Euro collapses, and the Canadian or NZDollar
> still
> > > sports a gold price, you can still exchange it,
> and so
> > on.?
> > > After that, how do people come to a cons
> > ensus of value - of
> > > fair value?? If no one is willing to trade for
> ANY
> > fiat
> > > currency, then what?
> > > ?
> > > The way I read Fekete's article is that
> during the
> > dark
> > > ages there was a period where you could not count
> on
> > > gold/silver being used as a medium of exchange.?
> It
> > may
> > > have been because there was no way to determine
> value
> > (i.e.
> > > how many grams would be worth a dozen eggs,
> etc.)? He
> > > states that gold/silver went into hiding never to
> > re-emerge
> > > during the lifetime of the original holders.? I
> assume
> > from
> > > that that it was passed on from generation to
> > generation
> > > until such time as there was a reason to swap out
> into
> > a
> > > different kind of currency or other medium of
> exchange
> > (as
> > > there have been many besides gold/silver).? Of
> course
> > back
> > > then, computers and modern transportation did not
> > exist to
> > > facilitate world wide trading.
> > > ?
> > > In a Dark Ages II type scenario, you can't
> eat
> > gold,
> > > can't wear it, can't heat with it.?
> However,
> > you
> > > can pass it to the next generation clandestinely
> and
> > avoid
> > > paying taxes to theiving governments.? LOL.? 
> > > ?
> > > I think Fekete is saying that gold/silver retains
> > value as
> > > a more wide-spread medium of exchange (whether in
> > physical
> > > metal or metal backed currency) only when their
> is
> > > wide-spread confidence in the governing body.? 
> > > ?
> > > Under a chaotic government(s) situation - and
> limited
> > > person to person gold/silver exchange - a large
> > > landowner/farmer MIGHT be willing to exchange his
> > excess
> > > food production for some gold IF his goal is to
> > acquire gold
> > > for his heirs or for a time when the governing
> body
> > can be
> > > trusted again.? However, a small farmer barely
> able to
> > > produce above his own needs is not going to swap
> his
> > one
> > > extra chicken for gold if he needs a horse shoe
> from
> > the
> > > blacksmith for his plow, and the blacksmith
> > doesn't want
> > > gold but needs to eat.
> > > ?
> > > I don't know if the US or the world will
> decsend
> > into
> > > another Dark Ages; I don't discount the
> > possibility -
> > > but I don't have any way of determining how
> far
> > out
> > > along the fat tail of a
> >  bell curve?the possibility?of a
> > > Dark Ages II needs to go.? Of if we will just
> return
> > to a
> > > more agrarian society, or what.
> > > ?
> > > One point that Fekete makes is that he foresees a
> time
> > when
> > > there would be no sellers of gold/silver.? I
> would
> > have to
> > > think about that for a long time.? But my first
> > thought, is
> > > maybe initially but, I think in time?some would
> be
> > willing
> > > to sell as a last resort (or not knowing the
> value) to
> > those
> > > who have excess production, who see gold/silver
> as a
> > future
> > > generation(s) way of preserving wealth.? 
> > > ?
> > > On your point, "Anyone who now believes
> things
> > will
> > > become 'that bad', should be out with
> ropes,
> > rifles,
> > > pitchforks, and whatever else will kill and maim
> those
> > in
> > > power who would allow such a thing to
> occur."
> > > ?
> > > True, but in truth WHO allowed it to occur?? WE
> DID.
> > WE
> > > who did not rise up in anger at the debasement of
> the
> > > currency and put a stop to it.? WE who understood
> the
> > > consequences and failed to teach values of
> exchange
> > and of
> > > production and self-preservation through our own
> > efforts.?
> > > WE DO deserve to get a new Dark Ages, not because
> we
> > are
> > > sitting and waiting for it, but because we failed
> to
> > > recognize the cause of it and failed to prevent
> it,
> > even
> > > with all of our accumulated knowledge of
> thousands of
> > years.
> > > ?
> > > Although ropes and guillotines won't be
> needed -
> > > starvation and disease will take care of it.
> > > ?
> > > Yes, it echoes of Ayn Rand, but to me it is the
> much
> > more
> > > accurate to blame "we" than those in
> power.
> > > ?
> > > ?
> > > PS CAPS are not "yelling",,,, but meant
> to
> > > emphasis on paper the words I would emphasis in
> > person.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Tue, 12/23/08, bobf
> <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Gold
> > > To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com,
> homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 11:04 AM
> > > 
> > > Leslie, I believe you mis-read Dr. Fekets's
> > intenet
> > > where he draws upon
> > > historical anaylis.  He wrote:
> > > 
> > > "............... causation goes in the
> opposite
> > > direction. The
> > 
> > > disappearance of gold and silver coins as a means
> of
> > > exchange was a
> > > long-drawn-out, cumulative event. In the end, no
> one
> > was
> > > willing to exchange
> > > gold and silver coins for the debased coinage of
> the
> > > empire. At that point the
> > > empire was bankrupt; it could no longer pay the
> troops
> > that
> > > defended its
> > > boundaries against the barbarians threatening
> with
> > > invasion.'......."
> > > 
> > > That is to say, that the gold and silver still
> > retained
> > > their value , in his
> > > opinion; but ttheir was nothing left in the fiat
> > system
> > > worth the trade value of
> > > the gold and silver.  And, if we are sitting and
> > waiting
> > > for a return of the
> > > "dark ages", we desrve whatever we get,
> > anyway. 
> > > Anyone who now
> > > believes things will become 'that bad',
> should
> > be
> > > out with ropes,
> > > rifles, pitchforks, and whatever else will kill
> and
> > maim
> > > those in power who
> > > would allow such a thing to occur.  Most of us
> think
> > we are
> > > witnessing a
> > > calamity, but not anything close to a repeat of
> the
> > > 'Dark Ages'.
> > > 
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Leslie
> > <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > ?
> > > > Fekete writes an update on the outlook for
> the
> > value
> > > of
> > > > gold.? This one is quite interesting as he
> talks
> > > about what
> > > > happened to gold/silver during/after the
> collapse
> > of
> > > the
> > > > Western Roman Empire and the parallels to
> today.?
> > > History
> > > > supports James'?points a couple weeks
> > ago?that
> > > > gold/silvere will have zero value - the
> pricing
> > > mechanism
> > > > will be gone.
> > > > ?
> > > > Fekete warns that gold in backwardation in
> Dec
> > 2008,
> > > is
> > > > warning, is a premonition of what is coming
> down
> > the
> > > road.?
> > > > He believes there will be repeated instances
> of
> > > > backwardation, each more severe than the
> > preceeding,
> > > as
> > > > gold/silver go into hiding.? Hyperinflation
> and
> > > ultimately
> > > > the collapse of the monetary system - a
> point
> > where
> > > > gold/silver will not have a value either,
> because
> > > those
> > > > hoarding will not be willing to part with
> it,
> > until
> > > such
> > > > t
> > ime as confidence in a fiat currency returns.? 
> > > > ?
> > > > After the collapse of the Roman Empire we
> went
> > into
> > > the
> > > > Dark Ages, where payment in gold/silver
> could not
> > be
> > > taken
> > > > for granted - gold/silver went into hiding
> never
> > to
> > > > re-emerge during the lifetime of the
> original
> > > holders.?
> > > > Fekete warns that the disappearance of
> > gold/silver is
> > > > ominous.
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > 
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On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Wendy <crazygardens AT verizon.net> wrote:
...  Cholesterol is not your enemy.  Your body produces cholesterol when
> it needs it.  Cell walls are almost pure cholesterol.  Different forms of
> cholesterol are used for different things. LDLs are your bodies "patch"
> material.

Statins do lower death rates from all causes, however, and it's not
clear why. One theory is that they reduce the amount of inflammation
in the body, and inflammation is a major cause of damage to arteries.
That would explain why they lower LDL and raise HDL.

Marie