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[bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

One parent should be able to work one full time job and provide for a family 
in a decent fashion.  Period.  I know that can fit in with libertarianism.  
One parent should be home with the children so that the state and the damn 
television (and today the internet) is not raising them.
I'm not talking about homeschooling, that is an individual choice and a 
different matter.  If a man (or woman) works one full time job, and works 
hard, that should be enough.  And if that person has the initiative , desire, 
and ability, then they can do other things on the side to increase their 
material worth.  But, that is, again, a choice..................

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--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net> wrote:

> From: Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] [Homestead ] MY  microcosm of economic downturn
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:59 AM
> O.K., the problem is that the middle class is still there
> and is still what 
> the proper definition is (those who have some economic
> independence, a 
> social class of business or professional people, also known
> as the 
> Bourgeoisie).  At some point someone decided that the upper
> working class 
> was the middle class and the definition changed to: 
> professionals, 
> semi-professionals, and lower-to-middle managerial level
> workers.  Now, the 
> middle class is going to return to the traditional
> definition.
> 
> What the economy is doing is wiping out the upper working
> class and lower 
> middle-class and creating an enormous gap.  The working
> class is gradually 
> seeing its wages shrinking down to meet the working poor
> (burger flippers). 
> At the rate the economy is going there will be the poor,
> the working poor 
> but the the middle class will begin feeling the pinch
> because all those 
> sweet paper pushing jobs are going to be going bye-bye. 
> Bottomline is that 
> those truely in the middle class have a lot of invented
> work, busy work 
> jobs.  Jobs that can be easily done by others for less
> money (you know the 
> secretary really is the one doing the job of most paper
> pushers) or gotten 
> rid of all together.
> 
> And, the one positive is that the fat cat who wanted the
> sweet young thing 
> to look at is going to feel the pinch.  There isn't
> going to be money to 
> hire people who haven't a clue just so some perv can
> have eye candy to look 
> at.  Plus, he's going to have to explain to the money
> crunchers how come the 
> $$ out don't represent the work produced.  How come Mz.
> Sweet Thing is on 
> the payroll and they can't find that she has
> "produced" anything.
> 
> Lynda
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> 
> > You remind me of my best friend A, Bob, you are out of
> touch with the
> > lower echelons.  There has been a separation for quite
> a number of
> > years now.
> > The working class, for example, did not get a bonus
> this Christmas, for
> > example, or maybe they got a $25 gift card or a
> turkey/ham.  Business
> > and professional workers almost always get a bonus,
> even in a bad
> > economy.  Working classes have no perks like business
> phones or long
> > lunch hours-they punch a clock.
> >
> > You know Bob, the first thing you said was that she
> was a young girl
> > that you chatted and flirted with.  Do you not think
> this might have
> > anything to do with her salary doubling at the age of
> 22, before she
> > even finishes school?
> > In my last two jobs, I have been subjected to
> discrimination and
> > harassment.  At the grocery store, the owner told the
> manager than when
> > he walked through the store, he did not want to see
> me, a 40 year old
> > woman, he wanted to see a pretty young thing whose
> butt he wanted to
> > slap as he walked by.  More recently, in my last job,
> I made less than
> > half of my male co-workers doing the same do.
> > Point is, in a good economy, it is easy to be
> inclusive and treat people
> > fairly.  In a bad economy, all kinds of crap happens.
> > Your last comparison between the bank employee and the
> carpenter reminds
> > me of James' post about real vs. imaginary money. 
> He did not use those
> > words, but he was talking about value and paper value
> vs. actual value.
> > IMO, the actual value guy is the carpenter, the
> skilled laborer.  He can
> > produce something related to food, clothing, or
> shelter, namely shelter.
> > IMO, the bank employee has a 'paper' job, and
> yet, she is the one who is
> > rewarded handsomely.
> > It is all screwed up Bob, and it has been for quite
> some time.  It is
> > not that it is going to happen, it already has
> happened and it has been
> > that way for a while.  Your story below proves my
> point. That is why so
> > many "working class" people are totally fed
> up in this country and voted
> > for change in the way things are done.
> 
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