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Gene GeRue wrote:
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> 
> The revolution is named Barack Obama.
> _______________________________________________
>


Please Gene...that is almost a "gag me" statement.  Barack should be paying 
you to campaign for him.

Seriously, the revolution will be when people vote for a third party.  It is 
the only non-violent way to protest what is happening in our country that 
will make an immediate difference.

Akka B





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Robert Walton wrote:
>>> He by the way was born in New Haven, Connecticut of Connecticut 
>>> people. He was raised by those people in Texas. His accent is 
>>> certainly Texan, not something that a Connecticut Yankee just
>>> picks up, IMO. This is one of the first reasons I never trusted
>>> Bush when he was running for office.
>> Rob, please clarify the above, because I am getting that you never
>> trusted Bush when he took office because he had a Texas accent when
>> he was born in CT. You've really kind of lost me in this
>> discussion.
>> 
> 
> Growing up in Florida, I know lots of northern transplants. People 
> learn language from their parents (mostly). The accents may vary, but
>  for the most part stay the same. That his parents speak like they do
>  and he speaks with such a strong Texas accent seemed strange to me. 
> Maybe it's just what it is, but someone that is doing the things he 
> did in life is not normally going to pick up such a country accent.


I disagree, Rob.  Anyone can quickly pick up an accent. It really
doesn't take that long.  To this day, I say the word 'salt' like a
Bostonian, and I only worked with Gordon for one year.  I do say 'radio'
like a Southerner, though<g>.  Things can be picked up quickly,
discarded quickly, or not.



> 
> Politicians are graded on lots of little things. Haircuts, looks, 
> eyeglasses, how they dress and how they speak. National politicians 
> even more so.
> 
> James (and many others) feel that Obama is talking down to them.
> James explained to us that in addition to what he says, how Obama
> says it plays into that.


How is any of the above related to why you personally never trusted Bush
because of his accent?



> 
> Who was the newscaster (I think in 2000) who did the election
> coverage filled with down home talk?  I find it hard to believe that
> a politician does not consider how they pronounce words.

Well, of course they consider it.  It is the conclusion that they come
up with that is causing your problem.  They may not care that they sound
like a Kennedy.  They may think it a wonderful connotation.  Some may
hear and recall the rhetoric and inspirational voice of JFK, others may
hear and recall the various scandals the Kennedy's have brought upon
themselves(Chappaquick, William K. Smith's rape charge, etc. etc.)


> 
> I may just be paranoid, but I think that politicians polish for how 
> they want us to perceive  them.

Of course, but see above.


> 
> Back in the 1980s in Tampa, lots of my peers were learning to NOT 
> speak Southern. It was important to speak "standard American English"
>  if you wanted to get hired by the come south managers of most 
> companies.

Very often it is true that a strong Southern accent is a disadvantage in
business because of that 'dufus' or 'redneck' image it brings to some.
It doesn't make it right. You know, Rob, just because some people have a
problem with my accent doesn't mean that I need to fix it.  MLK said
that people should be judged on the content of their character, and
while he did not say accent in the next part of the sentence, he could
have.
Many Southerners are now reclaiming the pride in themselves and standing
up to this form of discrimination.  I'll be damned if I ever try to stop
saying "fixin' to" or y'all.  Some of us, (like Paula Dean) are actually
turning our accents into assets.

> 
> A candidates speech patterns helps us to create a perception. For 
> instance Obama, speaking (overly) proper English helps him not to be 
> perceived as the black candidate (think Sharpton).

You say something like this and then you say we of the list are racist?
C'mon Rob.  We are all biased to some degree, and your own bias just
reared it's head.
Personally, I never noticed that Sharpton doesn't speak 'proper
English'.  I saw him interviewed just last weekend, commenting on the
Jessie Jackson n-word incident, and he spoke just fine.
Secondly, what is wrong with being "the black candidate"?  I voted for
Jessie Jackson in 1984, so tell me what is wrong with that?

 My thought has been
> does Bush's speech pattern help to create an image of him that would 
> distract from the fact that his family are Connecticut Yankees,
> modern day carpetbaggers and northeastern educated?

 Perhaps that was a motivating factor for him, I dunno.  Maybe he wanted
to portray himself as being more downhome and less elite.  I really,
really can't imagine why anyone would choose to pick up a Southern
accent though, because MOST people think negatively about them.

> 
> "Nucular" just bugs me, in Carter, Clinton, and Bush.
> 
Get over it. People that say Maysure instead of measure or draers
instead of drawers catch my attention, but I don't hold it against
them..that's part of who they are.  Maysure was just as much a part of
my Math professors Midwestern upbringing as "Fixin' to" was to mine.


Akka B, spending too much time on the computer




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Rob wrote:
 Yet the polls remain close. Doesn't 
>> make sense…unless it's race. Time magazine's 
>> Michaeel Grunwald says race is the elephant in 
>> the room. He says Barack Obama needs to tread 
>> lightly as he fights back against the McCain-Palin campaign attacks.
> 
> I've seen it on this list. People who you would 
> not expect to support McCain are coming out in 
> full force against Obama.

Let me make one thing clear as I have been one who has been vocal against 
Obama for president.  I do not support McCain and Palin. I will vote third 
party.  I am a Libertarian.  

Akka B, wondering who Rob thinks is a racist here.




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Lynn, you are so right!!!
I try to tell people this all the time.  People are just too worried 
about"throwing away their vote"  Our whole society conditions us to want to 
support winners to the point that people don't think anymore.  Sometimes, 
what is good for the country short term is not good for the country long 
term.  

Akka B

>  
> In a message dated 9/18/2008 8:35:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com writes:
> 
> 
> If  everyone who didn't like either of the major party candidates would  
> actually vote for someone they DID like, we could turn this country  
> around in a few elections. I can't tell you how many people I talk to  
> who like Ron Paul, for example, but never even considered voting for him  
> because he "didn't have a chance". They settle for the 'lesser of the  
> major party evils', and that's what they get.
> 
> By voting for a third  party candidate who stands for what I believe, 
> I've been accused more than  once of "giving" the election to someone I 
> didn't even vote for, and it's  that attitude that keeps us stuck with 
> the status quo (besides, since  popular vote doesn't count, once a 
> candidate wins my state, my one  additional vote wouldn't mean anything). 
> The revolution won't start until  We the People vote it in, but people 
> don't have the guts, so get the  government they deserve.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth
>




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I owe an apology to both Robs on the list.  
I was cutting pears,
drying pears, multitasking to the max, and answering email.  In that
process, I combined two posts, thinking that they were from the same
person.  In another post, Minnesota (Becida) Rob said that he had seen
racism on this list.  VA Rob had made no such claim.   While I disagree
with VA Rob's comments about Sharpton, I attributed an attitude to his words 
that were not in evidence, and I am sorry.

Akka
B, doing too much at once...hates this kind of conflict on the
list...it is becoming too personal for my taste, and with my foot
firmly in my mouth, I will back out of this conversation and get back
to my pears.

--- On Thu, 9/18/08, Akka Homestead <akkabhomestead AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> A candidates speech patterns helps us to create a perception. For 
> instance Obama, speaking (overly) proper English helps him not to be 
> perceived as the black candidate (think Sharpton).

You say something like this and then you say we of the list are racist?
C'mon Rob.  We are all biased to some degree, and your own bias just
reared it's head.



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Gene GeRue wrote:
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> Seems to me you could take that Missouri trip as you wish. As long as  
> you pay cash, there is no record of your movement except your  
> registration in the hotel. The hotel is a choice for you. If you  
> choose to stay in the hotel you must follow the rules of the hotel,  
> which will certainly include identification and registration. The  
> hotel management would be fools to not require that. Would you give a  
> room in your house to someone you did not know?

The part of this that you have forgotten is that he wanted to fish.  To fish 
requires that one hold a license.  In many states, they require you to jump 
through the same hoops for a fishing license as they would a hunting license, 
and of course, that means a background check, instant check with your SS# in 
this state anyway.  You are recorded.

As far as records of movement, there are cameras everywhere today.  Our local 
Walmart, where you would probably go to get that license, has 30 cameras that 
I can see covering just the parking lot.  
I have forgotten the statistic as to how many times a day the average person 
is "recorded".


Just my little interjection into this conversation...
I am super interested in this discussion on socialism..

Akka B




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On Sep 18, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Akka Homestead wrote:

>
>
> Gene GeRue wrote:
>>
>>
>> The revolution is named Barack Obama.
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
>
> Please Gene...that is almost a "gag me" statement.  Barack should be
> paying you to campaign for him.
>
> Seriously, the revolution will be when people vote for a third
> party.  It is the only non-violent way to protest what is happening
> in our country that will make an immediate difference.

Gag away. Here we express opinions uncensored. Take it or leave it.

I sincerely believe Barack Obama is the best chance in decades to make
right many wrong things that have been imposed upon us by those of
lesser humanity.

The revolution is named Barack Obama.