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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

I'm not as smart as James, you should wait for him to give a proper 
definition, but I'll briefly tell you how I would formally and practically 
describe socialism 
 
Socialism is a vague form of conceptualized Marxism.  Marxism is built on the 
maxim that "from each according to his ability, to each according to their 
need", but, Marx never told us how to reach that desired balance.  It simply 
doesn't work.  I started studying Marx and Engels when I was a freshman in 
high school.  I subscribed to Mother Jones when I was fifteen.  I ate this 
concept up when I was young and idealistic and blind to the reality that 
kindness and cooperation are not instinctual.  
 
Socialism , for the proper Libertarian definition is the tyranny of the many 
over the few.  Individuals who want to do their own little bit of expressive 
living, such as homesteaders like you , have to learn to conform to the 
collective ideal.  I'm tired of conformity.
 
I want to be able to drive to Missouri, stay in a proper hotel, buy a bunch 
of fishing supplies, and stay for three months without any record of my 
movements.  That is no longer possible.  I would like for my nieces and 
nephews to go through at least the first 25 years of their lives without 
being numbered , herded and separated according to their abilities before 
they even recognize what abilities they might have.  
 
I want to be left alone, completely, by anyone or any entity, that I haven't 
expressly given permission, to intrude on my life.  In return, I will leave 
everyone else alone.  The government is not my friend, and they are not here 
to help me.  They want a measure of my worth, so they can take a kilo of my 
flesh.
 
I'm not really a capitalist, I don't think.  I believe in freedom and liberty 
for the individual, and then you do business with whom you trust.  Today, 
there is so much governmental involvement, you no longer know who to trust or 
how to behave in business.  We are not becoming a Socialist society.  As of 
yesterday we became one.  Watch for further restrictions on your liberties in 
the very near future.
 
Well, Gene.  I've put my thought on paper.  I don't write well, but, go ahead 
and take your shots......bobf



----- Original Message ----
From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:16:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Socialism - What is it? Who gets it? Why?


On Sep 18, 2008, at 6:08 AM, bob ford wrote:

> The greedy corporate types to which you refer are Obama's biggest  
> contributors.  If you want my definition of Socialism, I'll be glad  
> to acquiesce, but why?  You know what's happening.  You remember  
> when we had more freedoms, less restrictions, liberty to act and  
> live our lives without anyone checking to see if we were living to  
> their standards.

Bob, you are ignoring the fact that large corporations all hedge their  
bets in political campaigns. If you want to start a discussion on  
contributor percentages, fine, do it on another subject line.

Don't pull a James on us here. Let's have your definition of socialism.

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